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(VPS 130917-1, 17/09/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Laurence yes its possible the proton didnt seem to be up on NOAA and at this time of year there is still a reasonable amount of daylight so I dont really know I havent found any other mechanism that account for that amount of change. The Dst isnt brilliant but its not that bad and bouncing around a bit so there is nothing there to suggest big absorption. The only thing is the surprisingly quiet nature oof Solar actiity for this time in the cycle. How long has it been depressedthat badly with you?? 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The Dst isnt brilliant but its not that bad and = bouncing around a bit so there is nothing there to suggest big = absorption. The only thing is the surprisingly quiet nature oof Solar = actiity for this time in the cycle. How long has it been depressedthat = badly with you?? Alan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Laurence KL7 L=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:37 PM Subject: RE: LF: Over the Pole and far far away Thanks Alan - yep could be leakage but this morning I see the low/high = Proton levels were way up just for a short while and now back down to = flat line too - though I see whe are going to get a little Coronal for a = while. =20 This isnt just on LF MF but even HF is a little depressed - so maybe = a little kick of the present mid lat K3 will help. Odd stuff this... = DCF39 is something like >50dBr or more down on where it was this time = last year (on a good day) =20 Even the Path to Texas wasnt good last night at MF. Cheers from a = snowy hilled Alaska =20 =20 Laurence KL 7 L =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: alan.melia@btinternet.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:11:12 +0100 Subject: Re: LF: Over the Pole and far far away Hi Laurence, thaksor your observations. It does not seem to absorpyion = by precipitated electrons. However the solar X-ray flux has been very = quiet for some time now(which is a bit odd) I wonder if we are = suffering ionospheric leakage at least on your path. That is where not = all th signal is refracted but a considerble portion goes right through = the E layer out into space?? If that is the case what we might need is a minor geeomag storm to = beef up the electron density again. Alan G3NYK ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CEB3FA.6D1965E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Laurence yes its possible the proton = didnt seem=20 to be up on NOAA and at this time of year there is still a reasonable = amount of=20 daylight so I dont really know I havent found any other mechanism that = account=20 for that amount of change. The Dst isnt brilliant but its not that bad = and=20 bouncing around a bit so there is nothing there to suggest big = absorption. The=20 only thing is the surprisingly quiet nature oof Solar actiity for this = time in=20 the cycle. How long has it been depressedthat badly with = you??
 
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Laurence KL7 L =
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, = 2013 10:37=20 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Over the Pole = and far=20 far away

Thanks Alan - yep could be leakage but = this=20 morning I see the low/high Proton levels  were way = up just for=20 a short while and now back down to flat line too - though I see = whe are=20 going to get a little Coronal for a while.
 
This isnt = just on=20 LF MF but even HF is a little depressed -  so maybe a little kick = of the=20 present mid lat K3 will help.  Odd stuff this... DCF39 is = something=20 like >50dBr or more down on where it was this time last year (on a = good=20 day)
 
Even the Path to Texas wasnt good last night at MF. = Cheers=20 from a snowy hilled Alaska
 
 
Laurence KL 7=20 L
 
From: alan.melia@btinternet.com
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date:=20 Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:11:12 +0100
Subject: Re: LF: Over the Pole and = far far=20 away

Hi Laurence, thaksor your = observations. It does=20 not seem to absorpyion by precipitated electrons. However the solar = X-ray flux=20 has been very quiet for some time now(which is a bit odd)  I = wonder if we=20 are suffering ionospheric leakage at least on your path. That is=20 where not all th signal is refracted but a considerble portion = goes right=20 through the E layer out into space??
 
If that is the case what we might = need is a minor=20 geeomag storm to beef up the electron density again.
 
Alan G3NYK
 
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