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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: But not one with a switch mode power supply frequency above 2 Hz!! Dave From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014, 19:01 Subject: Re: LF: OFCOM response re: UK sub-8.3kHz and very low power around 73kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.97.76 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (evad_hine[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.3 HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD BODY: HTML font face is not a word 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 5bc6e377a7e48238fb2d1143b58fab98 Subject: Re: LF: OFCOM response re: UK sub-8.3kHz and very low power around 73kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-293919475-766442566-1393441677=:22957" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_COMMENT_8BITS, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,WEIRD_QUOTING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ---293919475-766442566-1393441677=:22957 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But not one with a switch mode power supply frequency above 2 Hz!! Dave=0A = =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Warren Ziegler =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group =0ASent: Wednesda= y, 26 February 2014, 19:01=0ASubject: Re: LF: OFCOM response re: UK sub-8.3= kHz and very low power around 73kHz=0A =0A=0A=0AAt least you can still use= a torch (flashlight) without an NOV !=0A=0A73 Warren=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Wed,= Feb 26, 2014 at 1:48 PM, David Hine wrote:=0A=0ABe= st to now take up Tiddlywinks and Ludo -but=C2=A0first check! -the high fly= ing counters (over 1/4")=C2=A0may need a special airborne safety flying NOV= !! Dave.=0A> =0A> From: Warren Ziegler =0A>To: rsgb_lf_gr= oup =0A>Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014, 1= 7:14=0A>Subject: Re: LF: OFCOM response re: UK sub-8.3kHz and very low powe= r around 73kHz=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sorry that you asked ?= =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Roger Lapthorn wrote:=0A>=0A>For those interested in the official UK OFCOM= response see below:=0A>>=0A>>A precis of the following is basically that i= n the UK you need an NoV to operate below 8.3kHz and (just maybe can get on= e for) low powered operation around 73kHz with MoD approval for 6 month per= iods. Above =0A3000GHz (e.g. IR and optical) the wireless telegraphy act do= es NOT apply. =0AEarth-mode or utilities assisted earth-mode (through the g= round) can be =0Aused without a licence (is my reading) but not if signals = are =0Aessentially radiated.=C2=A0 No real surprises, but disappointingly "= official"=C2=A0 and " boring" responses. No initiative being shown on their= part. The thrust seems to be EM radiation, so where the propagation is ess= entially by induction I think one may be exempt too.=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>= > =0A>>"Spectrum Licensing (to me)=0A>> =0A>>Your ref: 1-641-1681low =0A>>= =0A>>Dear Roger, =0A>>Thank you for your email and apologies for the delay = in responding.=0A>>There is no lower limit for the definition of =E2=80=98w= ireless telegraphy=E2=80=99 in the Wireless Telegraphy Act 2006, only an up= per limit* and we unaware of any order changing that. Transmissions below 8= .3 kHz would =0Astill be covered by the WT Act and would need the relevant = =0Aauthorisation, even if there is no Allocation available in the UK FAT.= =C2=A0 =0AAs you are most likely wanting to do this under the authorisation= of your amateur radio licence, you would need to apply for a variation.=0A= >>Unfortunately, the UK amateur radio licence does not authorise use of 73 = kHz and we do not note it in any relevant exemption regulations, such as Th= e Wireless Telegraphy (Testing and Development Under Suppressed Radiation C= onditions) (Exemption) =0ARegulations 1989. So any intended operation(s) wo= uld also have to be the subject of a variation.=0A>>If you wish to approach= Ofcom for a NoV we would need you to provide as =0Amuch information as pos= sible. Information required would be things like =0Aradiated power, frequen= cy, bandwidth, antenna type, height, NGR, whether directional (and, if so, = =0Adirection), elevation, class of emission and purpose of use. We may be = =0Aable offer a variation, but initially this would likely be for a =0Atemp= orary period e.g. six months. However, there is no guarantee that we can au= thorise this use. =C2=A0We also note that the =0A73 kHz band is UK2 and tha= t means prior approval from the MoD would need to be sought.=C2=A0 =0A>>*= =E2=80=9C116=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=9CWireless telegraphy=E2=80=9D.= =0A>>(1)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 In this Act =E2=80=9Cwi= reless telegraphy=E2=80=9D means the emitting or receiving, over paths that= are not provided by any material substance constructed or =0Aarranged for = the purpose, of energy to which subsection (2) applies. .=0A>>(2)=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This subsection applies to electromagneti= c energy of a frequency not exceeding 3,000 gigahertz that=E2=80=94 . =0A>>= (a)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 serves for conveying messages= , sound or visual images (whether or not =0Athe messages, sound or images a= re actually received by anyone), or for =0Aoperating or controlling machine= ry or apparatus; or .=0A>>(b)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 is = used in connection with determining position, bearing or distance, =0Aor fo= r gaining information as to the presence, absence, position or =0Amotion of= an object or of a class of objects. .=0A>>(3)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The Secretary of State may by order modify the definition o= f =E2=80=9Cwireless =0Atelegraphy=E2=80=9D by substituting a different freq= uency for the frequency that is for the time being specified in subsection = (2). .=0A>>(4)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 No order is to be = made containing provision authorised by subsection =0A(3) unless a draft of= the order has been laid before Parliament and =0Aapproved by a resolution = of each House=E2=80=9D=0A>>We hope the above information helps.=0A>>Regards= =0A>>Ash =0A>>::Ash Gohil=0A>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Team Leader =0A>>=C2=A0 Sp= ectrum Licensing=0A>>=C2=A0 Spectrum Operations=0A>>=C2=A0=C2=A0020 7783 44= 25 =0A>>=C2=A0=C2=A0ash.gohil@ofcom.org.uk =0A>>:: Ofcom=0A>>=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0Riverside House =0A>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A02a Southwark Bridge Road=0A>>= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0London SE1 9HA =0A>>=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://www.ofcom.org.uk/= =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>" =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>-- =0A>>=0A>>http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.co= m/=0A>>http://www.g3xbm.co.uk/=0A>>=0A>>https://sites.google.com/site/sub9k= hz/=0A>>http://qss2.blogspot.com/=0A>>http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm=0A>= >=0A>> =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>-- =0A>73 Warren K2ORS=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 WD2XGJ =0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 WD2XSH/23=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 WE2XEB/2=0A>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 WE2XGR/1=0A>=0A>=C2=A0 =0A>=0A> =0A=0A=0A-- =0A73 Warren K= 2ORS=0A=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 WD2XGJ =0A= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 WD2XSH/23=0A=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 WE2XEB/2=0A=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 WE2XGR/1 ---293919475-766442566-1393441677=:22957 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="-293919475-1865912940-1393441677=:22957" ---293919475-1865912940-1393441677=:22957 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
But not one with a switch mode p= ower supply frequency above 2 Hz!! Dave
= Fr= om: Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, 26 Febru= ary 2014, 19:01
Subject: Re: LF: OFCOM response re: UK sub-8.3kHz and very low power around 73kHz=

At least you can still use a torch (flashlight)= without an NOV !

73 Warren


On Wed, = Feb 26, 2014 at 1:48 PM, David Hine <evad_hine@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
=0A
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=
Best to now take up Tiddlywinks and Ludo -but first check! -the h= igh flying counters (over 1/4") may need a special airborne safety fly= ing NOV!! Dave.
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From: Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org>
=0A Se= nt: Wednesday, 26 February 2014, 17:14
Subject: Re: LF: OFCOM response = re: UK sub-8.3kHz and very low power around 73kHz
=0A

     Sorry that you asked ?


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Roger L= apthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
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For those interested in the official UK OFCOM response see below= :
=0A
A precis of the following is basically tha= t in the UK you need an NoV to operate below 8.3kHz and (just maybe can=0A = get one for) low powered operation around 73kHz with MoD approval for 6 mon= th periods. Above =0A3000GHz (e.g. IR and optical) the wireless telegraphy = act does NOT apply. =0AEarth-mode or utilities assisted earth-mode (through= the ground) can be =0Aused without a licence (is my reading) but not if si= gnals are =0Aessentially radiated.  No real surprises, but disappointi= ngly "official"  and " boring" responses. No initiative being shown on= their part. The thrust seems to be EM radiation, so where the propagation = is essentially by induction I think one may be exempt too.
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"Spectrum Licensing (to me)
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Your ref: 1-641-1681low
Dear Roger,
=0A=0A
Thank you for your email and apologies for the delay in responding.=
There is n= o lower limit for the definition of =E2=80=98wireless telegraphy=E2=80=99 i= n the Wireless Telegraphy Act 2006, only an upper limit*=0A and we=0A unaware of any order changing that. Transm= issions below 8.3 kHz would =0Astill be covered by the WT Act and would nee= d the relevant =0Aauthorisation, even if there is no Allocation available i= n the UK FAT.  =0AAs you are most likely wanting to do this under the = authorisation=0A of your amateur radio licence, you would need to apply for= a variation.
Unfortunately,=0A the UK amateur radio licence does not authorise= use of 73 kHz and we do=0A not note it in any relevant exemption regulatio= ns, such as The Wireless=0A Telegraphy (Testing=0A and Development Under Su= ppressed Radiation Conditions) (Exemption) =0ARegulations 1989. So any inte= nded operation(s) would also have to be the=0A subject of a variation.
If=0A yo= u wish to approach Ofcom for a NoV we would need you to provide as =0Amuch = information as possible. Information required would be things like =0Aradia= ted power, frequency,=0A bandwidth, antenna type, height, NGR, whether dire= ctional (and, if so, =0Adirection), elevation, class of emission and purpos= e of use. We may be =0Aable offer a variation, but initially this would lik= ely be for a =0Atemporary period e.g. six months. However, there=0A is no g= uarantee that we can authorise this use.  We also note that the =0A73 = kHz band is UK2 and that means prior approval from the MoD would need=0A to= be sought. =0A
*=E2=80=9C116     =E2=80=9CWireless te= legraphy=E2=80=9D.
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(1)       =0A In t= his Act =E2=80=9Cwireless telegraphy=E2=80=9D means the emitting or receivi= ng, over=0A paths that are not provided by any material substance construct= ed or =0Aarranged for the purpose,=0A of energy to which subsection (2) app= lies. .
(2)        This subsection applies t= o electromagnetic energy of a frequency not exceeding 3,000 gigahertz that= =E2=80=94 .
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(a)       =0A serves fo= r conveying messages, sound or visual images (whether or not =0Athe message= s, sound or images are actually received by anyone), or for =0Aoperating or= controlling=0A machinery or apparatus; or .
(b)     &= nbsp; =0A is used in connection with determining position, bearing or = distance, =0Aor for gaining information as to the presence, absence, positi= on or =0Amotion of an object or=0A of a class of objects. .
(3)  &nbs= p;    =0A The Secretary of State may by order modify th= e definition of =E2=80=9Cwireless =0Atelegraphy=E2=80=9D by substituting a = different frequency for the frequency that=0A is for the time=0A being spec= ified in subsection (2). .
(4)       =0A No = order is to be made containing provision authorised by subsection =0A(3) un= less a draft of the order has been laid before Parliament and =0Aapproved b= y a resolution=0A of each House=E2=80=9D
We hope the above information helps.
Regar= ds
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Ash
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:: Ash Gohil
   = Team Leader
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