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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: You are welcome Pat. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: pat To: M0FMT Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013, 17:50 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Broadcast Ground Systems Big, Big Thanks for that one Pete. Have not downloaded anything yet but there are some awesome tomes there! Even when you scroll through to read his method, he has put in a lot of work. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.71 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 64bc660a83b79b15f4c44d2b2147e02d Subject: Re: LF: Re: Broadcast Ground Systems Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="313692494-1842613195-1379005777=:90456" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2737 --313692494-1842613195-1379005777=:90456 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=0AYou are welcome Pat.=0A=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A_____= ___________________________=0A From: pat =0ATo: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org =0ACc: M0FMT =0ASent: Thursday, 12 Sep= tember 2013, 17:50=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: Broadcast Ground Systems=0A =0A= =0A=0ABig, Big Thanks for that one Pete. Have not downloaded anything yet b= ut there are some awesome tomes there! Even when you scroll through to read= his method, he has put in a lot of work.=0A=0A73=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn 12/09/13= 17:37, M0FMT wrote:=0A =0AHi again all =0A>=A0 =0A>If I am going to give o= ut URL's I may as well try two get it right! =0A>=A0 =0A>Try..... http://ww= w.tubebooks.org/technical_books_online.htm =0A> =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO9= 1UX =0A>=0A>From: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk=0A>To: mailto:rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Thursday, 12= September 2013, 17:16=0A>Subject: Re: LF: Re: Broadcast Ground Systems=0A>= =0A>=0A>=0A>Hi All =0A>=A0 =0A>Please send all radio and electronic books= that are out of copy-right to this web site http://www.tubebooks.org/techn= ical_books_online.htmm where in due course they will be scanned and publish= ed for anyone to down load for free. This ensures that=A0such works of art = are not on one bookshelf but on many.=0A> =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX = =0A>=0A>From: Alan Melia mailto:alan.melia@btinternet.com=0A>To: rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013, 1:16=0A>Subject: = LF: Re: Broadcast Ground Systems=0A> =0A>=0A>Hi this is interesting readin= g, but beware of=0A applyiing it directly to =0A>a= mateur LF!. BC antennas are usually monoples=0A an= d the ground requirement for =0A>those is somewhat different to an amateur= =0A antenna where height is often =0A>limited and = "T" or inverted "L" antennas are=0A used. Always s= ize your ground =0A>extent by measuring the system, so that you=0A = know when to stop wasting copper =0A>and effort! Radials a= re only really effective=0A if they are at least 1= /8th =0A>wavelength....that requires a lot of real=0A = estate at LF. Also BC engineers =0A>can often choose their site, amateu= rs rarely=0A can.=0A>=0A>Alan=0A>G3NYK=0A>=0A>----= - Original Message ----- =0A>From: "David Weinreich" =0A>To: ; <600m@yahoogroups.com>=0A= >Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:34 AM=0A>Subject: LF: Broadcast Grou= nd Systems=0A>=0A>=0A>Dear LF/MFers,=0A>=0A>I have a copy of "Radio Broadca= st Ground=0A Systems" that was prepared by Smith = =0A>Electronics of Cleveland, Ohio in 1972. The=0A = report provides a digest of =0A>material from Laport's book, the Antenna= =0A Engineering Handbook and the famous =0A>articl= e by Brown, Lewis and Epstein from the=0A IRE Proc= eedings. I will gladly =0A>send it to whoever wants it and is willing to=0A= pay the postage from =0A>Cleveland, Ohio. First c= ome first served,=0A referenced to e-mail arrival = time.=0A>=0A>Best regards,=0A>=0A>David Weinreich=0A>WA2VUJ/8=0A>=0A>=0A>= =0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A=0A=0A-- =0A73 de pat g4gvw=0Aes gd dx=0A= qth nr Felixstowe=0AEast Coast UK --313692494-1842613195-1379005777=:90456 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
You are we= lcome Pat.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

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To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Cc: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 20= 13, 17:50
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Broa= dcast Ground Systems

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Big, Big Thanks for that one Pete. Have= =0A not downloaded anything yet but there are some awesome tomes=0A = there! Even when you scroll through to read his method, he has put=0A = in a lot of work.
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I= f I am going to give out URL's I may as well try two=0A get it r= ight!
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From:<= /span> M0FMT=0A mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk
=0A = To:=0A = mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0A mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org
=0A Sen= t:=0A Thursday, 12 September 2013, 17:16
=0A = Subject:=0A = Re: LF: Re: Broadcast Ground Systems
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Hi All
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Please send a= ll radio and electronic=0A books that are out of cop= y-right to this web=0A site http://www.tubebooks.org/technical_books_online.htmm=0A = where in due course they will be scanned and=0A = published for anyone to down load for free. This=0A = ensures that such works of art are not on one=0A = bookshelf but on many.
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From:=0A = Alan Melia mailto:alan.melia@btinternet.com
= =0A To:=0A rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org
=0A Sent:=0A Thur= sday, 12 September 2013, 1:16
=0A Subject:=0A = LF: Re: Broadcast Ground Systems
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=0A Hi this is interesting reading, but bewa= re of=0A applyiing it directly to
=0A = amateur LF!. BC antennas are usually monoples=0A = and the ground requirement for
=0A = those is somewhat different to an amateur=0A = antenna where height is often
=0A limited and = "T" or inverted "L" antennas are=0A used. Always s= ize your ground
=0A extent by measuring the sy= stem, so that you=0A know when to stop wasting cop= per
=0A and effort! Radials are only really ef= fective=0A if they are at least 1/8th
=0A = wavelength....that requires a lot of real=0A = estate at LF. Also BC engineers
=0A = can often choose their site, amateurs rarely=0A = can.
=0A
=0A A= lan
=0A G3NYK
=0A <= br>=0A ----- Original Message -----
=0A = From: "David Weinreich" <David.Weinreich@globalstar.com>
= =0A To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>;=0A = <600m@yahoogroups.com<= /a>>
=0A Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 = 12:34 AM
=0A Subject: LF: Broadcast Ground Syst= ems
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= =0A Dear LF/MFers,
=0A =
=0A I have a copy of "Radio Broadcast Ground= =0A Systems" that was prepared by Smith
=0A = Electronics of Cleveland, Ohio in 1972. The=0A = report provides a digest of
=0A = material from Laport's book, the Antenna=0A = Engineering Handbook and the famous
=0A articl= e by Brown, Lewis and Epstein from the=0A IRE Proc= eedings. I will gladly
=0A send it to whoever = wants it and is willing to=0A pay the postage from=
=0A Cleveland, Ohio. First come first served,= =0A referenced to e-mail arrival time.
=0A =
=0A Best regards,
=0A =
=0A David Weinreich=0A WA2VUJ/8
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-- =0A73 de pat g4g=
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