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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all again Think we must end this thread it was started as an O/T out burst from me..... sorry Graham that's right its not friendly and the old mags we used to keep because of all the useful schematics are just so much fire lighter now. Even if the author offers to supply in a couple of years he has lost interest or disappeared of is SK. The way Johan (SM6JKM) did is WSPR pic project is IMHO dead right. I had fun with that! OK Stefan I am glad you understand me. I was a bit worried I had upset Christian which is the last thing I wanted to do. Ok on the 4 Candles joke it works because of our (English) imprecise language and the way some words sound alike. If you want to hear English spoken correctly never listen to a native speaker we mess it up..... hee. Sorry not set up for the moment on 472 need to sit down and sort my QRO stuff out then try. May be this fall. Mal's been on 60m working ./P SSB probably from his back garden.....hee [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.206 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLYTO Reply-To/From or Reply-To/body contain different freemails X-Scan-Signature: 571129b349252c35b2bc09d7a1c6d0f3 Subject: Re: LF: PIC based designs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="131296447-1904660073-1377169801=:41624" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2594 --131296447-1904660073-1377169801=:41624 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all again=0A=A0=0AThink we must end this thread it was started as an O/T= out burst from me..... sorry=0A=A0=0AGraham that's right its not friendly = and the old mags we used to keep because of all the useful schematics are j= ust so much fire lighter now. Even if the author offers to supply in a coup= le of years he has lost interest or=A0disappeared of is SK.=A0 The way Joha= n (SM6JKM)=A0did is WSPR pic project is IMHO dead right.=A0I had fun with t= hat!=0A=A0=0A=A0=0AOK Stefan I am glad you understand me. I was a bit worri= ed I had upset Christian which is the last thing I wanted to do. Ok on the = 4 Candles joke it works because of our=A0 (English) imprecise=A0 language a= nd the way=A0some words=A0sound alike.=A0If you want to hear English spoken= correctly never listen to a native speaker we mess it up..... hee.=0A=A0= =0ASorry not set up for the moment on 472 need to sit down and sort my QRO = stuff out then try. May be this fall.=0A=A0=0AMal's been on 60m working ./P= SSB probably from his back garden.....hee=0A=0A=0ABest 73 es GL Pete M0FMT= IO91UX=0A=0A=0AFrom: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, = 22:01=0ASubject: Re: LF: PIC based designs=0A=0A=0A=0AHello Pete, =0A=0AVer= y nice. Sounds peaceful and in agreement to our humour :-) From time to tim= e there are very nice emails coming in here, some of them stay in my mind. = Like the photo of a Spanish OM showing a bird sitting in the shadow of a to= wer. And Eddie asking what causes the black line on the street. Or Graham's= hinto and link to the Hungarian translation book or the 4 candles link ;-)= Or some provoking emails from Mal ;-) Just fine!=0A=0APete, do you plan to= become QRV there? Will it be in CW (too) ? And when?=0A=0A73, CU, Stefan/D= K7FC=0A=0AAm 21.08.2013 19:35, schrieb M0FMT: =0AHi Christian=0A>=A0=0A>I a= m very sorry if you thought you had offended me. To be clear you did not in= anyway offend me. Your comment was taken in the spirit of our great hobby.= =0A>I just wanted you to know you got it dead right......... hee. =A0It was= received in the good humour from you and Stefan=A0as it=A0was sent... |:o)= =0A>=A0=0A>I like the tubes count in you RX. =0A>=A0=0A>I will be looking o= ut for yours and Stefans=A0great sigs=A0on 472 but no TX this end at the mo= ment so reports via this reflector.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Best 73 es GL Pete M0FMT= IO91UX=0A>=0A>From: mailto:aot.aot@gmx.de mailto:aot.aot@gmx.de=0A>To: rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 18:12=0A>Sub= ject: Aw: Re: LF: PIC based designs=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=A0 =0A>Pete,=0A>did not= want to offend you!=0A>=0A>I like tubes too! In my rx are 21 of them ;-)= =0A>And my tx for HF works still with PL504 in pa...=0A>Gesendet:=A0Mittwoc= h, 21. August 2013 um 17:58 Uhr=0A>Von:=A0M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk=0A= >An:=A0mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=0A>Betreff:=A0Re: LF: PIC based designs=0A>Christian=0A>=0A>My secret i= s out, I confess I build tube projects, although I am not a total Dinosaur.= I build SDR=A0SMT and PIC projects. My rant was that I have found a projec= t published by W3PM Gene. Nicely lay out but totally and utterly useless be= cause there is no HEX code to go with the article. However I have found ano= ther of his articles publish which is a dead copy of Johan Bodin SM6LKM=A0P= IC project of a few years ago where Johan did publish all the PIC program d= etails plus HEX code. So may be plagiarism is rife on the Interweb?=A0=0A>= =0A>Oh sorry Stefan 10nano Farads but you knew what I meant?=0A>=0A>End of = rant!=0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=A0 =0A>=0A>From: C. Groeger mailto:aot.= aot@gmx.de=0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0A>Sent: Wednesday, 21 Augus= t 2013, 13:58=0A>Subject: Re: LF: PIC based designs=0A>=0A>Hi Pete,=0A>I wa= s thinking you're still working with tubes...;-)=0A>73, df5qg=0A>=0A>Christ= ian Groeger=0A>=0A>M0FMT schrieb:=0A>=0A>>Hi all=0A>>= =A0=0A>>This is an open letter to all PIC based designers form a frustrated= constructor.......=0A>>=A0=0A>>"....=0A>>=A0=0A>>=0A>>As with all construc= tion articles that contain a Micro Processor chip is that =A0the one vital = ingredient to make it is the HEX code. It is as vital as the 0.01 mF decoup= ling capacitor that goes across the Vcc to ground.=A0=A0=0A>>=0A>>It is IMH= O and most guys I have spoken to over the air that a construction article t= hat has a PIC in the BOM is so much wasted paper. The Radcom being a typica= l magazine that delights in publishing the schematic of a PIC based project= but doesn't publish the Hex script. My guess is=A0the so called editors ha= ve no construction experience and do not understand the significance of wha= t they are publishing. I=A0think peoples hearts sink when they look down th= e BOM and see 16F84 or what ever.=0A>>=0A>>The=A0people who look at these s= orts of articles are constructor like me not Code designers otherwise they = wouldn't need a construction article at all, because they would be busily d= esigning there own code .... wouldn't they.=A0I have a G3--- =A0friend=A0wh= o is a great constructor. Nothing in his shack is commercial ready made. He= has a prodigious output of excellent TX and RX designs, keyers and SDR pro= jects, nothing with a PIC. I have encouraged him to take advantage of the f= acility to be found in a PIC based project but he considers them black magi= c.=A0Because of the RADCOM and other mags that trot these PIC based project= s out with little concern if any one actually builds them they are referred= to as space fillers of little interest and are intensely frustrating. This= sort of incomplete article can be=A0an ego trip for the writer with the pu= blishing editor oblivious to what is in the big blank square in the middle = of the schematic.=0A>>=0A>>So this mail is an appeal to you and all other P= IC based designers please, please publish the HEX code. It doesn't take muc= h space on a page and simple=A0for someone to scan the code and use word re= cognition software to convert it along with a bit of manual editing if nece= ssary.=A0Otherwise I would say don't bother publishing your designs.=0A>>= =0A>>Sorry for the venting but just going through yet another "Oh B*!$$er i= t's got a PIC in it" article that looked promising.=0A>>=0A>>73 es GL Pete = M0FMT IO91UX=0A>=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> --131296447-1904660073-1377169801=:41624 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all again
 
Think we must end th= is thread it was started as an O/T out burst from me..... sorry
 
Graham that's right its not friendly and= the old mags we used to keep because of all the useful schematics are just= so much fire lighter now. Even if the author offers to supply in a couple = of years he has lost interest or disappeared of is SK.  The way J= ohan (SM6JKM) did is WSPR pic project is IMHO dead right. I had f= un with that!
 
 
OK Stefan I am glad you understand me. I= was a bit worried I had upset Christian which is the last thing I wanted t= o do. Ok on the 4 Candles joke it works because of our  (English) impr= ecise  language and the way some words sound alike. If = you want to hear English spoken correctly never listen to a native speaker = we mess it up..... hee.
 
Sorry not set up for the moment on 472 n= eed to sit down and sort my QRO stuff out then try. May be this fall.
 
Mal's been on 60m wo= rking ./P SSB probably from his back garden..= ...hee


Best 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 

From: Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefe= r@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 22:01
Subject: Re: LF: PIC based designs
<= /DIV>

Hello Pete,

Very nice. Sounds peaceful and in agreement to our= humour :-) From time to time there are very nice emails coming in here, so= me of them stay in my mind. Like the photo of a Spanish OM showing a bird s= itting in the shadow of a tower. And Eddie asking what causes the black lin= e on the street. Or Graham's hinto and link to the Hungarian translation bo= ok or the 4 candles link ;-) Or some provoking emails from Mal ;-) Just fin= e!

Pete, do you plan to become QRV there? Will it be in CW (too) ? A= nd when?

73, CU, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 21.08.2013 19:35, schrieb M0= FMT:=20
Hi Christian
 
I am very sorry if you thought you had offended me. To be clear = you did not in anyway offend me. Your comment was taken in the spirit of ou= r great hobby.
= I just wanted you to know you got it dead right......... hee.  It was = received in the good humour from you and Stefan as it was sent...= |:o)
 
I like the tubes count in you RX.
 
I will be looking out for yours and Stefans great sigs = ;on 472 but no TX this end at the moment so reports via this reflector.


Best 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

From: mailto:aot.aot@gmx.de mailto:aot.aot@gmx.de
To: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 18:12
= Subject: Aw: Re: LF: PIC based designs

 =20
Pete,
did not want to offend you!
 
I like tubes too! In my rx are 21 of them ;-)
And my tx for HF works still with PL504 in pa...
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Aug= ust 2013 um 17:58 Uhr
Von: M0FMT mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk=
An: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Bet= reff: Re: LF: PIC based designs
Christian
 
= My secret is out, I confess I build tube projects, although I am not a tota= l Dinosaur. I build SDR SMT and PIC projects. My rant was that I have = found a project published by W3PM Gene. Nicely lay out but totally and utte= rly useless because there is no HEX code to go with the article. However I = have found another of his articles publish which is a dead copy of Johan Bo= din SM6LKM PIC project of a few years ago where Johan did publish all = the PIC program details plus HEX code. So may be plagiarism is rife on the = Interweb? 
 =
= Oh sorry Stefan 10nano Farads but you knew what I meant?
 
End of rant!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20
 
From: C. Groeger= mailto:= aot.aot@gmx.de
To: <= A class=3Dyiv7660366066moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 13:58
Subject: Re: LF: PIC based designs

Hi Pete,
I was thinking yo= u're still working with tubes...;-)
73, df5qg

Christian Groeger
M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> schri= eb:

>Hi all
> 
>This is an open letter to all PI= C based designers form a frustrated constructor.......
> 
>= ;"....
> 
>
>As with all construction articles that = contain a Micro Processor chip is that  the one vital ingredient to ma= ke it is the HEX code. It is as vital as the 0.01 mF decoupling capacitor t= hat goes across the Vcc to ground.  
>
>It is IMHO an= d most guys I have spoken to over the air that a construction article that = has a PIC in the BOM is so much wasted paper. The Radcom being a typical ma= gazine that delights in publishing the schematic of a PIC based project but= doesn't publish the Hex script. My guess is the so called editors have no construction experience and do not understand the significance of = what they are publishing. I think peoples hearts sink when they look d= own the BOM and see 16F84 or what ever.
>
>The people who = look at these sorts of articles are constructor like me not Code designers = otherwise they wouldn't need a construction article at all, because they wo= uld be busily designing there own code .... wouldn't they. I have a G3= ---  friend who is a great constructor. Nothing in his shack is c= ommercial ready made. He has a prodigious output of excellent TX and RX des= igns, keyers and SDR projects, nothing with a PIC. I have encouraged him to= take advantage of the facility to be found in a PIC based project but he c= onsiders them black magic. Because of the RADCOM and other mags that t= rot these PIC based projects out with little concern if any one actually bu= ilds them they are referred to as space fillers of little interest and are intensely frustrating. This sort of incomplete article can be = ;an ego trip for the writer with the publishing editor oblivious to what is= in the big blank square in the middle of the schematic.
>
>So = this mail is an appeal to you and all other PIC based designers please, ple= ase publish the HEX code. It doesn't take much space on a page and simple&n= bsp;for someone to scan the code and use word recognition software to conve= rt it along with a bit of manual editing if necessary. Otherwise I wou= ld say don't bother publishing your designs.
>
>Sorry for the v= enting but just going through yet another "Oh B*!$$er it's got a PIC in it"= article that looked promising.
>
>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX 
 
 


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