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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Christian I am very sorry if you thought you had offended me. To be clear you did not in anyway offend me. Your comment was taken in the spirit of our great hobby. I just wanted you to know you got it dead right......... hee. It was received in the good humour from you and Stefan as it was sent... |:o) I like the tubes count in you RX. I will be looking out for yours and Stefans great sigs on 472 but no TX this end at the moment so reports via this reflector. 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To= be clear you did not in anyway offend me. Your comment was taken in the sp= irit of our great hobby.=0AI just wanted you to know you got it dead right.= ........ hee. =A0It was received in the good humour from you and Stefan=A0a= s it=A0was sent... |:o)=0A=A0=0AI like the tubes count in you RX. =0A=A0=0A= I will be looking out for yours and Stefans=A0great sigs=A0on 472 but no TX= this end at the moment so reports via this reflector.=0A=0A=0ABest 73 es G= L Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0AFrom: "aot.aot@gmx.de" =0ATo: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 18:12=0ASubjec= t: Aw: Re: LF: PIC based designs=0A=0A=0A=0A=A0 =0APete,=0Adid not want to = offend you!=0A=0AI like tubes too! In my rx are 21 of them ;-)=0AAnd my tx = for HF works still with PL504 in pa...=0AGesendet:=A0Mittwoch, 21. August 2= 013 um 17:58 Uhr=0AVon:=A0M0FMT =0AAn:=A0"rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org" =0ABetreff:=A0Re: LF: PIC bas= ed designs=0AChristian=0A=0AMy secret is out, I confess I build tube projec= ts, although I am not a total Dinosaur. I build SDR=A0SMT and PIC projects.= My rant was that I have found a project published by W3PM Gene. Nicely lay= out but totally and utterly useless because there is no HEX code to go wit= h the article. However I have found another of his articles publish which i= s a dead copy of Johan Bodin SM6LKM=A0PIC project of a few years ago where = Johan did publish all the PIC program details plus HEX code. So may be plag= iarism is rife on the Interweb?=A0=0A=0AOh sorry Stefan 10nano Farads but y= ou knew what I meant?=0A=0AEnd of rant!=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=A0 =0A= =0AFrom: C. Groeger =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0AS= ent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 13:58=0ASubject: Re: LF: PIC based designs= =0A=0AHi Pete,=0AI was thinking you're still working with tubes...;-)=0A73,= df5qg=0A=0AChristian Groeger=0A=0AM0FMT schrieb:=0A=0A= >Hi all=0A>=A0=0A>This is an open letter to all PIC based designers form a = frustrated constructor.......=0A>=A0=0A>"....=0A>=A0=0A>=0A>As with all con= struction articles that contain a Micro Processor chip is that =A0the one v= ital ingredient to make it is the HEX code. It is as vital as the 0.01 mF d= ecoupling capacitor that goes across the Vcc to ground.=A0=A0=0A>=0A>It is = IMHO and most guys I have spoken to over the air that a construction articl= e that has a PIC in the BOM is so much wasted paper. The Radcom being a typ= ical magazine that delights in publishing the schematic of a PIC based proj= ect but doesn't publish the Hex script. My guess is=A0the so called editors= have no construction experience and do not understand the significance of = what they are publishing. I=A0think peoples hearts sink when they look down= the BOM and see 16F84 or what ever.=0A>=0A>The=A0people who look at these = sorts of articles are constructor like me not Code designers otherwise they= wouldn't need a construction article at all, because they would be busily = designing there own code .... wouldn't they.=A0I have a G3--- =A0friend=A0w= ho is a great constructor. Nothing in his shack is commercial ready made. H= e has a prodigious output of excellent TX and RX designs, keyers and SDR pr= ojects, nothing with a PIC. I have encouraged him to take advantage of the = facility to be found in a PIC based project but he considers them black mag= ic.=A0Because of the RADCOM and other mags that trot these PIC based projec= ts out with little concern if any one actually builds them they are referre= d to as space fillers of little interest and are intensely frustrating. Thi= s sort of incomplete article can be=A0an ego trip for the writer with the p= ublishing editor oblivious to what is in the big blank square in the middle= of the schematic.=0A>=0A>So this mail is an appeal to you and all other PI= C based designers please, please publish the HEX code. It doesn't take much= space on a page and simple=A0for someone to scan the code and use word rec= ognition software to convert it along with a bit of manual editing if neces= sary.=A0Otherwise I would say don't bother publishing your designs.=0A>=0A>= Sorry for the venting but just going through yet another "Oh B*!$$er it's g= ot a PIC in it" article that looked promising.=0A>=0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT I= O91UX --313692494-1043219293-1377106505=:81204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Christian
 
I am very sorry if y= ou thought you had offended me. To be clear you did not in anyway offend me= . Your comment was taken in the spirit of our great hobby.
I just wanted you to know you got it dea= d right......... hee.  It was received in the good humour from you and= Stefan as it was sent... |:o)
 
I like the tubes cou= nt in you RX.
 
I will be looking ou= t for yours and Stefans great sigs on 472 but no TX this end at t= he moment so reports via this reflector.


Best 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

From: "aot.aot@gmx.de" <aot.aot@gmx.de= >
To: rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org
Sent: Wed= nesday, 21 August 2013, 18:12
Subje= ct: Aw: Re: LF: PIC based designs

 =20
Pete,
did not want to offend you!
 
I like tubes too! In my rx are 21 of them ;-)
And my tx for HF works still with PL504 in pa...
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Aug= ust 2013 um 17:58 Uhr
Von: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>An: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org>
Betreff: Re: LF: PIC based designs
Christian
 
My secret is out, I confess I build tube projects, although I am not a to= tal Dinosaur. I build SDR SMT and PIC projects. My rant was that I hav= e found a project published by W3PM Gene. Nicely lay out but totally and ut= terly useless because there is no HEX code to go with the article. However = I have found another of his articles publish which is a dead copy of Johan = Bodin SM6LKM PIC project of a few years ago where Johan did publish al= l the PIC program details plus HEX code. So may be plagiarism is rife on th= e Interweb? 
&nbs= p;
Oh sorry Stefan 10nano Farads but you knew what I meant?
 
End of rant!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20
 
From: C. Groeger &= lt;aot.aot@gmx.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent= : Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 13:58
Subject: Re: LF: PIC based designs

Hi Pete,
I was thinking yo= u're still working with tubes...;-)
73, df5qg

Christian Groeger
M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> schri= eb:

>Hi all
> 
>This is an open letter to all PI= C based designers form a frustrated constructor.......
> 
>= ;"....
> 
>
>As with all construction articles that = contain a Micro Processor chip is that  the one vital ingredient to ma= ke it is the HEX code. It is as vital as the 0.01 mF decoupling capacitor t= hat goes across the Vcc to ground.  
>
>It is IMHO an= d most guys I have spoken to over the air that a construction article that = has a PIC in the BOM is so much wasted paper. The Radcom being a typical ma= gazine that delights in publishing the schematic of a PIC based project but= doesn't publish the Hex script. My guess is the so called editors have no construction experience and do not understand the significance of = what they are publishing. I think peoples hearts sink when they look d= own the BOM and see 16F84 or what ever.
>
>The people who = look at these sorts of articles are constructor like me not Code designers = otherwise they wouldn't need a construction article at all, because they wo= uld be busily designing there own code .... wouldn't they. I have a G3= ---  friend who is a great constructor. Nothing in his shack is c= ommercial ready made. He has a prodigious output of excellent TX and RX des= igns, keyers and SDR projects, nothing with a PIC. I have encouraged him to= take advantage of the facility to be found in a PIC based project but he c= onsiders them black magic. Because of the RADCOM and other mags that t= rot these PIC based projects out with little concern if any one actually bu= ilds them they are referred to as space fillers of little interest and are intensely frustrating. This sort of incomplete article can be = ;an ego trip for the writer with the publishing editor oblivious to what is= in the big blank square in the middle of the schematic.
>
>So = this mail is an appeal to you and all other PIC based designers please, ple= ase publish the HEX code. It doesn't take much space on a page and simple&n= bsp;for someone to scan the code and use word recognition software to conve= rt it along with a bit of manual editing if necessary. Otherwise I wou= ld say don't bother publishing your designs.
>
>Sorry for the v= enting but just going through yet another "Oh B*!$$er it's got a PIC in it"= article that looked promising.
>
>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX 
 
 


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