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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Pete Well done Pete. I echo these sentiments. 73 Dennis M0JXM From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 15:58 Subject: Re: LF: PIC based designs [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.99.197 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 09c1a181dc7b5fd4ce37590584a561d1 Subject: Re: LF: PIC based designs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="86090315-158695343-1377101453=:84091" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2591 --86090315-158695343-1377101453=:84091 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Pete=0A=A0=0AWell done Pete.=A0 I echo these sentiments.=0A=A0=0A73 D= ennis M0JXM=0A=0AFrom: M0FMT =0ATo: "rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org" =0ASent: Wednesday, 21 August 201= 3, 15:58=0ASubject: Re: LF: PIC based designs=0A=0A=0A=0AChristian=0A=A0=0A= My secret is out, I confess I build tube projects, although I am not a tota= l Dinosaur. I build SDR=A0SMT and PIC projects. My rant was that I have fou= nd a project published by W3PM Gene. Nicely lay out but totally and utterly= useless because there is no HEX code to go with the article. However I hav= e found another of his articles publish which is a dead copy of Johan Bodin= SM6LKM=A0PIC project of a few years ago where Johan did publish all the PI= C program details plus HEX code. So may be plagiarism is rife on the Interw= eb?=A0=0A=A0=0AOh sorry Stefan 10nano Farads but you knew what I meant?=0A= =A0=0AEnd of rant!=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0AFrom: C. Groeger =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Wednesday, 21 Au= gust 2013, 13:58=0ASubject: Re: LF: PIC based designs=0A=0A=0AHi Pete,=0AI = was thinking you're still working with tubes...;-)=0A73, df5qg=0A=0AChristi= an Groeger=0A=0AM0FMT schrieb:=0A=0A>Hi all =0A>=A0=0A>= This is an open letter to all PIC based designers form a frustrated constru= ctor.......=0A>=A0=0A>"....=0A>=A0=0A>=0A>As with all construction articles= that contain a Micro Processor chip is that =A0the one vital ingredient to= make it is the HEX code. It is as vital as the 0.01 mF decoupling capacito= r that goes across the Vcc to ground.=A0=A0=0A>=0A>It is IMHO and most guys= I have spoken to over the air that a construction article that has a PIC i= n the BOM is so much wasted paper. The Radcom being a typical magazine that= delights in publishing the schematic of a PIC based project but doesn't pu= blish the Hex script. My guess is=A0the so called editors have no construct= ion experience and do not understand the significance of what they are publ= ishing. I=A0think peoples hearts sink when they look down the BOM and see 1= 6F84 or what ever. =0A>=0A>The=A0people who look at these sorts of articles= are constructor like me not Code designers otherwise they wouldn't need a = construction article at all, because they would be busily designing there o= wn code .... wouldn't they.=A0I have a G3--- =A0friend=A0who is a great con= structor. Nothing in his shack is commercial ready made. He has a prodigiou= s output of excellent TX and RX designs, keyers and SDR projects, nothing w= ith a PIC. I have encouraged him to take advantage of the facility to be fo= und in a PIC based project but he considers them black magic.=A0Because of = the RADCOM and other mags that trot these PIC based projects out with littl= e concern if any one actually builds them they are referred to as space fil= lers of little interest and are intensely frustrating. This sort of incompl= ete article can be=A0an ego trip for the writer with the publishing editor = oblivious to what is in the big blank square in the middle of the schematic= .=0A>=0A>So this mail is an appeal to you and all other PIC based designers= please, please publish the HEX code. It doesn't take much space on a page = and simple=A0for someone to scan the code and use word recognition software= to convert it along with a bit of manual editing if necessary.=A0Otherwise= I would say don't bother publishing your designs.=0A>=0A>Sorry for the ven= ting but just going through yet another "Oh B*!$$er it's got a PIC in it" a= rticle that looked promising.=0A>=0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX --86090315-158695343-1377101453=:84091 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Pete
 
Well done Pete.  I echo = these sentiments.
 
73 Dennis M0JXM

From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
= To: "rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 15:58
Subject: Re: LF: PIC based designs
=

Christian
 
= My secret is out, I confess I build tube projects, although I am not a tota= l Dinosaur. I build SDR SMT and PIC projects. My rant was that I have = found a project published by W3PM Gene. Nicely lay out but totally and utte= rly useless because there is no HEX code to go with the article. However I = have found another of his articles publish which is a dead copy of Johan Bo= din SM6LKM PIC project of a few years ago where Johan did publish all = the PIC program details plus HEX code.= So may be plagiarism is rife on the Interweb? 
=  
= Oh sorry Stefan 10nano Farads but you knew what I meant?
 
End of rant!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

From: C. Groeger <aot.aot@gmx.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 13:58
<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: Re: LF: PIC based desi= gns

Hi Pete,
I was thinking yo= u're still working with tubes...;-)
73, df5qg

Christian Groeger
M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> sc= hrieb:

>Hi all
> 
>This is an open letter to al= l PIC based designers form a frustrated constructor.......
> >"....
> 
>
>As with all construction articles t= hat contain a Micro Processor chip is that  the one vital ingredient t= o make it is the HEX code. It is as vital as the 0.01 mF decoupling capacit= or that goes across the Vcc to ground.  
>
>It is IMH= O and most guys I have spoken to over the air that a construction article t= hat has a PIC in the BOM is so much wasted paper. The Radcom being a typica= l magazine that delights in publishing the schematic of a PIC based project= but doesn't publish the Hex script. My guess is the so called editors hav= e no construction experience and do not understand the significance of what= they are publishing. I think peoples hearts sink when they look down = the BOM and see 16F84 or what ever.
>
>The people who loo= k at these sorts of articles are constructor like me not Code designers oth= erwise they wouldn't need a construction article at all, because they would= be busily designing there own code .... wouldn't they. I have a G3---=  friend who is a great constructor. Nothing in his shack is comm= ercial ready made. He has a prodigious output of excellent TX and RX design= s, keyers and SDR projects, nothing with a PIC. I have encouraged him to ta= ke advantage of the facility to be found in a PIC based project but he cons= iders them black magic. Because of the RADCOM and other mags that trot= these PIC based projects out with little concern if any one actually builds them they are referred to as space fillers of little inter= est and are intensely frustrating. This sort of incomplete article can be&n= bsp;an ego trip for the writer with the publishing editor oblivious to what= is in the big blank square in the middle of the schematic.
>
>= So this mail is an appeal to you and all other PIC based designers please, = please publish the HEX code. It doesn't take much space on a page and simpl= e for someone to scan the code and use word recognition software to co= nvert it along with a bit of manual editing if necessary. Otherwise I = would say don't bother publishing your designs.
>
>Sorry for th= e venting but just going through yet another "Oh B*!$$er it's got a PIC in = it" article that looked promising.
>
>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91U= X



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