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I was driving up and down to Hillend before that time , so that would explain , I thought when it was announced , there was a sense Ae , that must of been the one you mention > ,long time ago , not much on the radio for most of the trip ..other than 252 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 46d617994b9fba079dc3ad7182acba54 Subject: Re: LF: Droitwich off-air? 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I was driving up and down to Hillend before that time = , so that would explain , I thought when it was announced , there was = a sense Ae , that must of been the one you mention > ,long time ago = , not much on the radio for most of the trip ..other than 252 =20 Tnx -G. From: cmwb@talktalk.net=20 Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:19 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Droitwich off-air? As far as I know the three transmitters have rubidium standards and no = phase locking. There was some mush area steering (receive loops at Pontop Pike near = Newcastle) but this was disconnected some 25 years ago. Regards Colin ----Original Message---- From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk Date: 12/05/2012 13:51=20 To: Subj: Re: LF: Droitwich off-air? I think the relays are locked to the main signal ( off air?), = presume are=20 in 'idle' with no ref to lock .... I know driving to Scotland, = there=20 is a area where the 198 signal is 'mushy'/'wobbly' as one = signal=20 fades and the relay takes over .. for want of a better = description G. -------------------------------------------------- From: "James Moritz" Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:32 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Droitwich off-air? > Dear Roelof, LF Group, > > At my QTH there are 2 carriers visible at about the same level, one = close=20 > to the nominal 198kHz, the other about 0.1Hz low, which probably = accounts=20 > for the QSB. A third, much weaker carrier about 30dB down, is = visible=20 > about 0.1Hz high. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Roelof Bakker" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:07 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Droitwich off-air? > > >> Hello James, >> >> I do hear the relay station at about S-9 here. >> Interestingly it shows fading of about 8 dB, at times severely = distorting=20 >> the reception quality. >> >> 73, >> Roelof, pa0rdt > >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CD311C.4B205D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
25 years .. I was driving  up and  down to  = Hillend =20 before  that  time , so that  would explain , I = thought =20 when it  was announced , there was a  sense  Ae , that = must of=20 been  the  one you  mention > ,long time ago ,  = not=20 much  on the  radio  for  most of the  = trip =20 ..other than  252 
 
Tnx -G.

From: cmwb@talktalk.net
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Droitwich off-air?

As far as I know the three transmitters have rubidium standards and = no=20 phase locking.
There was some mush area steering (receive loops at Pontop Pike = near=20 Newcastle) but this was disconnected some 25 years ago.
 
Regards
           =20 Colin

----Original Message----
From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
Da= te:=20 12/05/2012 13:51
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
Subj:=20 Re: LF: Droitwich off-air?

I think the  relays  are = locked to=20 the  main signal ( off air?), presume are
in  = 'idle' =20 with  no  ref  to  lock .... I know  driving = to =20 Scotland, there
is a  area  where  the  198=20 signal  is 'mushy'/'wobbly'   as  one  signal =
fades   and the  relay  takes over .. = for =20 want  of a  better =20 = description

G.

--------------------------------------------= ------
From:=20 "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
Sent: Saturday, = May 12,=20 2012 1:32 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: = Re: LF:=20 Droitwich off-air?

> Dear Roelof, LF Group,
>
> = At my=20 QTH there are 2 carriers visible at about the same level, one close =
>=20 to the nominal 198kHz, the other about 0.1Hz low, which probably = accounts=20
> for the QSB. A third, much weaker carrier about 30dB down, is = visible=20
> about 0.1Hz high.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> = 73 de=20 M0BMU
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: = "Roelof=20 Bakker" <roelof@ndb.demon.nl>
> To:=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, = 2012=20 12:07 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Droitwich=20 off-air?
>
>
>> Hello = James,
>>
>> I do=20 hear the relay station at about S-9 here.
>> Interestingly it = shows=20 fading of about 8 dB, at times severely distorting
>> the = reception=20 quality.
>>
>> 73,
>> Roelof,=20 pa0rdt
>
>



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