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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: And we all live in a hole in the road but we were happy!!.....:0) 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > From: pat >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Cc: M0FMT >Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 13:06 >Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz > > > >And Wireless Set No.17 for £2:19:6 (2Volt accumulator and HT Battery 10/- extra) > >And we're all getting older! > >73 > > > > >On 11/04/13 12:18, M0FMT wrote: > >Hi Graham >> >>How young you are my introduction to Tottenham Court Road (Proops?) , Lisles Street (GW Smiths), Charring Cross and The Edgeware Road about 1956. Aaaaah those were the days. learnt a lot about Radio, Life, the Universe and everything there...... hee! >>Got my R107 from Lisle Street with money save from my apprentices pay. Carried it (abt 1 CWT) via bus to Kings Cross in the days when the conductor would jump off the bus and give you had to get it on board........ imagine that on a "Bendy Bus" today. See http://www.retinascope.co.uk/lislestreet.html for the full story. >> >>OK on the stick info yes but I am CW only really can't get too excited about sterile data although as you know I do partake occasionally. >> >>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX >> >>From: Graham mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk >>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 11:52 >>>Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz >>> >>> >>> >>>R Pete >>> >>>Well , its possible to use the emergency vfo , but that results in a very unstable signal , I remember down the Tottenham court road , there where tea chests of crystals , but that was 1970 .. seems a lot of the traditional firms have closed , >>> >>>One of the £5 dds with a driver would work , but they want to keep it standard >>> >>>DS - That's really the 'correct' situation , that -33 db decode, -3 db lower than normal was a good indication that the system is working , over ranging the a/d is the only problem . I think dynamic range is 60 d b after processing , is it 3 db per bit ? 8 bits , 24 db + 3 that's 27 dB ? 500:1 ? , but by removing [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.221 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 405bb9dcd45b6481736dcdaf249e9285 Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="856002529-1484113126-1365693636=:38927" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.6 required=5.0 tests=AMATEUR_PORN,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-di03.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1da6075166dc123c9a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --856002529-1484113126-1365693636=:38927 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And we all live in a hole in the road=A0but we were happy!!.....:0)=0A=0A= =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A>= From: pat =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Cc: M0FM= T =0A>Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 13:06=0A>Subject: = Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz=0A> = =0A>=0A>=0A>And Wireless Set No.17 for =A32:19:6 (2Volt accumulator and HT= Battery 10/- extra)=0A>=0A>And we're all getting older!=0A>=0A>73 =0A>=0A>= =0A>=0A>=0A>On 11/04/13 12:18, M0FMT wrote:=0A> =0A>Hi Graham =0A>>=A0 =0A>= >How young you are my introduction to Tottenham Court Road (Proops?) , Lisl= es Street (GW Smiths), Charring Cross =A0and The Edgeware Road=A0 about 195= 6. Aaaaah those were the days. learnt a lot about Radio,=A0Life, the Univer= se and everything there...... hee! =0A>>Got my R107 from Lisle Street with = money save from my apprentices pay. Carried it=A0 (abt 1 CWT) via bus to Ki= ngs Cross in the days when the conductor would jump off the bus and give yo= u had to get it on board........ imagine that on a "Bendy Bus" today. See h= ttp://www.retinascope.co.uk/lislestreet.html=A0for the full story. =0A>>=A0= =0A>>OK on the stick info yes but I am CW only really can't get too excite= d about sterile data although as you know I do partake occasionally.=0A>> = =0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>From: Graham mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fs= net.co.uk=0A>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>Sent: Thursday, 11 Ap= ril 2013, 11:52=0A>>>Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.= 25 236.75 KHz =0A>>> =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>R Pete =0A>>>=0A>>>Well , its poss= ible to=A0 use the=A0 emergency=A0 vfo=A0 , but that=A0 results=A0 in a ver= y=A0 unstable=A0 signal , I=A0=A0 remember=A0 down the=A0 Tottenham court r= oad , there=A0 where=A0 tea chests of=A0 crystals , but that=A0 was=A0 1970= .. seems=A0 a=A0 lot=A0 of the=A0 traditional=A0 firms have=A0 closed , = =0A>>>=0A>>>One=A0 of the=A0 =A35=A0 dds=A0 with=A0 a driver=A0 would=A0 wo= rk , but=A0 they=A0 want to=A0 keep=A0 it=A0 standard =0A>>>=0A>>>DS -=A0= =A0 That's really=A0 the=A0 'correct'=A0 situation=A0 ,=A0 that=A0 -33 db d= ecode, -3=A0db=A0 lower than=A0 normal =A0was=A0 a=A0 good=A0 indication = =A0 that=A0 the=A0 system=A0 is=A0 working ,=A0=A0=A0over ranging=A0 the=A0= a/d=A0 is the=A0 only=A0 problem . I think=A0 dynamic=A0 range is=A0 60 d = b after=A0 processing=A0 , is it=A0=A0 3 db per=A0 bit=A0 ?=A0 8 bits=A0 , = 24=A0 db + 3=A0=A0 that's=A0=A0 27 dB ?=A0 500:1 ? =A0 , but=A0=A0 by=A0 re= moving=A0=A0=A0 qty=A0 2=A0 mixers=A0=A0 and=A0 2=A0 oscillators=A0=A0 , [ = may=A0 be 3=A0 oscillators=A0 1 , hf-up-conv=A0 2 , pll=A0 conv osc=A0 3=A0= ref osc )=A0 that=A0 is a=A0 lot=A0 of=A0 noise + jitter=A0 removed=A0 fro= m the=A0 signal=A0 path as well=A0 as=A0=A0 imd=A0 from=A0 2=A0 mixers , I = found=A0 a attenuator=A0 helped=A0 for=A0 mw=A0 and=A0 I have=A0 a=A0 mw-fi= lter=A0 , which=A0 cleaned=A0 up=A0 sw=A0 bands=A0 ......=A0 nice to=A0 hav= e a=A0 panoramic=A0 display , 2=A0 mhz this time , the=A0 ra17=A0 was 1 mhz= =A0 and=A0=A0 28=A0 valves + 20 ish =A0> in the=A0 radio=A0 =A0 =0A>>>=0A>>= >73-G. =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>>From: M0FMT =0A>>>Sent: Thursday, April 11= , 2013 10:47 AM =0A>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>Subject: Re: = LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz =0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>= >>OK Graham =0A>>>=A0 =0A>>>Thought it was home brew retro.......... I am i= n that mode and think everbody else is! What do you do at the moment inject= a Sig Genny? =0A>>>=A0 =0A>>>Have you checked the net=A0or checked out Vin= cent - QuartzLab etc? =0A>>>=A0 =0A>>>Anyway what's that master osc circui= t. I build from old RADCOM (pre 1975 when they published real amateur radio= ) and PW,QST etal. I use modern xtals with no known issues. Well trying to = get third overtone for 10m not to chirp is an issue with me at the moment.= =A0 =0A>>>=A0 =0A>>>OK yes got a stick on its way didn't want to tear up my= existing upconverter design. But not sure there is much wrong with the UC = approach it works for me. But want to try the direct approach. Do you get m= uch Cross mod and IM products?=0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX= =0A>>>=0A>>>From: Graham mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk=0A>>>>To: rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org =0A>>>>Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 0:47=0A>>>>Subjec= t: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz =0A>>>> =0A>>= >>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Ok Pete =0A>>>>=0A>>>>Q where to=A0 have=A0 them=A0 made= =A0 ? =0A>>>>=0A>>>>The=A0 set=A0 , Marconi=A0 Ocean span 1950's=A0 valve= =A0 tx=A0 =A0needs=A0 the=A0 big=A0 rock's=A0 as the=A0 oscillator=A0 pass'= s=A0=A0 quite a=A0 lot=A0 of=A0 power=A0 via them ...hc6u=A0 are=A0 no=A0 g= ood=A0 , drive level is very low - the ones fitted=A0 are the=A0wired- gold= =A0 flashed=A0 ones=A0 , so=A0 cannot=A0 etch=A0 into the=A0 band ... =0A>= >>>=0A>>>>the=A0 gang=A0 want =A0to=A0 keep=A0 it=A0 standard =0A>>>>=0A>>= >>73 -G. =0A>>>>=0A>>>>Ps=A0 waiting=A0 for=A0 qty-3=A0 =A36=A0=A0 dongles= : ) =0A>>>>=0A>>>> =0A>>>>From: M0FMT =0A>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2= 013 11:43 PM =0A>>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>>Subject: Re: L= F: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz =0A>>>>=0A>>>> =0A= >>>>Hi =0A>>>>=A0 =0A>>>>If you want to spend a small fortune get them cut= . However build a Mixer VXO from El cheapo standard xtals and or old PMR ro= cks. Then at your next rally buy a couple of Screw together 10xj or FT243 r= ocks of any frequency and put the El-cheapo xtals inside. And Hey Presto yo= u have Retro rocks. =0A>>>>I have a small all valve 472 tx that uses 6.00 -= 6.472=3D0.472 vxo-able a couple of kc/s 12ax7-6am6-6cl6=3D 4wattso/p. Local= QRP rig. =0A>>>>Hope this helps =0A>>>>=A0 =0A>>>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91= UX=0A>>>>=0A>>>>From: Graham mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk=0A>>>>>To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 20:30=0A>>= >>>Subject: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz =0A>>>>>= =0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>Wanted=A0 10XJ=A0 or=A0 FT243=A0 XTALS=A0=A0 Range= =A0=A0 236.25=A0=A0=A0 236.75=A0 KHz=A0=A0=A0 =0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>Q=A0 Is ther= e=A0 any=A0 manufacture=A0 of=A0=A0 crystals=A0 in this=A0 range=A0 ? =0A>>= >>>=0A>>>>>Or=A0 Surplus=A0=A0=A0 items=A0=A0 available=A0 =0A>>>>>=0A>>>>= >QTY=A01=A0 or=A0 2=A0 off=A0 =0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>TNX- Graham =0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>= G0NBD =0A>>>>>=0A>>>>> =0A>>>>=0A>>>> =0A>>>=0A>>> = =0A>=0A>=0A>-- =0A73 de pat g4gvw=0Aes gd dx=0Aqth nr Felixstowe=0AEast Coa= st UK =0A>=0A> --856002529-1484113126-1365693636=:38927 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And we all live in a hole i= n the road but we were happy!!.....:0)

73 es GL Pete= M0FMT IO91UX
From: pat <g4gvw@aol.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org
Cc: M0FMT <m0fmt@y= ahoo.co.uk>
Sent: = Thursday, 11 April 2013, 13:06
Su= bject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25 = 236.75 KHz

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And Wireless Set No.17 for =A32:19:6=0A (2Volt = accumulator and HT Battery 10/- extra)
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=0A And we're a= ll getting older!
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=0A On 11/04/13 12:18, M0FMT wrote:
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How youn= g you are my introduction to Tottenham Court=0A Road (Proops?) ,= Lisles Street (GW Smiths), Charring Cross=0A  and The Edge= ware Road  about 1956. Aaaaah those were the=0A days. learnt a=0A l= ot about Radio, Life, the Universe and everything=0A there.= ..... hee!
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Got my R107 from Lisle Street = with money save from my=0A apprentices pay. Carried it  (ab= t 1 CWT) via bus to Kings=0A Cross in the days when the conducto= r would jump off the bus=0A and give you had to get it on board.= ....... imagine that on=0A a "Bendy Bus" today. See http://www.retinascope.co.uk/lislestreet.html for=0A = the full story.
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OK on the stick info yes but I am CW only really=0A = can't get too excited about sterile data although as you=0A = know I do partake occasiona= lly.
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From:=0A Graham mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
=0A To:=0A rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
=0A = Sent:=0A = Thursday, 11 April 2013, 11:52
=0A Subject:=0A Re: LF: W= anted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS Range 236.25=0A 236.75 KHz =0A
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R Pete
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Well , = its possible to  use the  emergency =0A = vfo  , but that  results  in a very  unstable = =0A signal , I   remember  down the&n= bsp; Tottenham court=0A road , there  where&nbs= p; tea chests of  crystals ,=0A but that  = was  1970 .. seems  a  lot  of the =0A = traditional  firms have  closed ,
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One  of the=   =A35  dds  with  a driver  would =0A = work , but  they  want to  keep  it&nb= sp; standard
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DS -   That's really  the  'correct'&nb= sp;=0A situation  ,  that  -33 db dec= ode, -3 db  lower=0A than  normal &nb= sp;was  a  good  indication   that =0A = the  system  is  working ,   over= ranging  the =0A a/d  is the  o= nly  problem . I think  dynamic =0A r= ange is  60 d b after  processing  , is it   3=0A = db per  bit  ?  8 bits  , 24&nbs= p; db + 3   that's  =0A 27 dB ?&= nbsp; 500:1 ?   , but   by  removing    = qty =0A 2  mixers   and  2&= nbsp; oscillators   , [ may  be 3 =0A = oscillators  1 , hf-up-conv  2 , pll  conv osc = =0A 3  ref osc )  that  is a  lo= t  of  noise +=0A jitter  removed&nbs= p; from the  signal  path as well =0A = as   imd  from  2  mixers , I found  a=0A = attenuator  helped  for  mw  and&n= bsp; I have  a =0A mw-filter  , which=   cleaned  up  sw  bands =0A = ......  nice to  have a  panoramic  display , 2 = =0A mhz this time , the  ra17  was 1 mhz&n= bsp; and   28 =0A valves + 20 ish &nb= sp;> in the  radio   
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Sent:= Thursday, April 11, 2013=0A 10:47 AM
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Subject: Re: LF: Wanted 10XJ or=0A F= T243 XTALS Range 236.25 236.75 KHz
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OK Grah= am
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Thought it was home brew=0A = retro.......... I am in that mode and think=0A = everbody else is! What do you do at the=0A = moment inject a Sig Genny?
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Have yo= u checked the net or checked=0A out Vincent= - QuartzLab etc?
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Anyway what's that maste= r osc=0A circuit. I build from old RADCOM (pre 1= 975=0A when they published real amateur radio) a= nd=0A PW,QST etal. I use modern xtals with no=0A= known issues. Well trying to get third=0A = overtone for 10m not to chirp is an issue=0A = with me at the moment. 
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<= span>OK yes got a stick on its way didn't=0A wan= t to tear up my existing upconverter=0A design. = But not sure there is much wrong=0A with the UC = approach it works for me. But=0A want to try the= direct approach. Do you get=0A much Cross mod a= nd IM products?
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From:=0A G= raham=0A mailto:g8fzk@g8f= zk.fsnet.co.uk
=0A To:=0A = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
=0A = Sent:<= /span>=0A Thursday, 11 April 2013, 0= :47
=0A Subject:=0A Re: LF: = Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS=0A Range 236.= 25 236.75 KHz
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Q where to  have  t= hem  made =0A ?
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The  set  , Marconi  Ocean=0A = span 1950's  valve  tx  &n= bsp;needs =0A the  big&nbs= p; rock's  as the =0A osci= llator  pass's   quite a =0A = lot  of  power  via them=0A = ...hc6u  are  no  good  , drive=0A = level is very low - the ones=0A = fitted  are the wired- gold&nb= sp;=0A flashed  ones  , so=   cannot =0A etch  in= to the  band ...
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From: <= a title=3D"m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk" href=3D"mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk" rel=3D"nofo= llow" target=3D"_blank" ymailto=3D"mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk">M0FMT=0A =
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Subject: Re: LF:=0A = Wanted 10XJ or FT243 XTALS=0A = Range 236.25 236.75 KHz
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Hi
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=0A If you want to spend=0A a= small fortune get them=0A cut. = However build a Mixer=0A VXO fro= m El cheapo standard=0A xtals an= d or old PMR rocks.=0A Then at y= our next rally buy=0A a couple o= f Screw together=0A 10xj or FT24= 3 rocks of any=0A frequency and = put the=0A El-cheapo xtals insid= e. And=0A Hey Presto you have Re= tro=0A rocks.
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I have a small all=0A = valve 472 tx that uses 6.00=0A = -6.472=3D0.472 vxo-able a=0A = couple of kc/s=0A = 12ax7-6am6-6cl6=3D 4wattso/p.=0A = Local QRP rig.
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Hope this helps
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From:=0A Graham=0A = mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk= .fsnet.co.uk
=0A = To:=0A = rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org=0A =0A Sent:=0A = Wednesday, 10 April=0A = 2013, 20:30
=0A = Subject:=0A = LF: Wanted 10XJ or=0A = FT243 XTALS Range=0A = 236.25 236.75 KHz
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Wanted  10XJ = =0A or  FT243&n= bsp;=0A XTALS &= nbsp; Range  =0A = 236.25   =0A = 236.75  KHz   
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Q  Is there =0A = any =0A = manufacture =0A = of   crystals =0A = in this  range&= nbsp;=0A ?
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Or =0A = Surplus   = =0A items  = ;=0A available =
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TNX- Graham
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