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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: It is difficult Roger but it doesn't have to be a lattice mast.. Galv steel say 2" water pipe Then reducing ally poles down to 1" for the very top section. It hardly shows on the sky line. A bit of camouflage with a spray can, and put up higher in stages. Make it tilt over so you can get it down quickly. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: b0f06858df415ca55c034ffb16f50aac Subject: Re: LF: Re: POOR ANTENNAS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="856002529-574929982-1361226288=:16233" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d65122b0c668b3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --856002529-574929982-1361226288=:16233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=0AIt is difficult Roger but it doesn't have to be a=A0lattice=A0mast.. = Galv steel say 2" water pipe Then reducing ally poles down to=A01" for the = very top section. It hardly shows on the sky line. A bit of camouflage with= a spray can, and put up higher in stages. Make it tilt over so you can get= it down quickly.=0A=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>_____________= ___________________=0A> From: Roger Lapthorn =0A>T= o: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =0A>Sent: = Monday, 18 February 2013, 21:00=0A>Subject: Re: LF: Re: POOR ANTENNAS=0A> = =0A>=0A>Mal and Pete,=0A>=0A>Thankfully I am able to manage the noise here = at this (small) QTH, but I know others have a more difficult job. Yes, well= sited RX loops and E-field probes help and usually a solution is possible.= =0A>=0A>=0A>BTW, I cannot see many people being happy with a 60 foot vertic= al appearing next door.=0A>=0A>=0A>73s=0A>Roger G3XBM=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On= 18 February 2013 20:14, mal hamilton wrote:=0A>=0A= > =0A>>Ken =0A>>That seems to be the problem in=A0merry old England. =0AEv= en if you have the space, neighbours do not want you to put up an antenna a= nd =0Aneither does the planing dept. In Scotland and Ireland there is a mor= e laxed =0Aapproach, more neighbourly. =0A>>Put in for planning and see wh= at happens =0A>>mal/g3kev =0A>>=A0 =0A>>=A0 =0A>>=A0 =0A>>----- Original Me= ssage ----- =0A>>>From: Ken =0A>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>= >Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 7:52 PM =0A>>>Subject: RE: LF: Re: POOR A= NTENNAS =0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>>Hi Mal. =0A>>>It would be very nice to have a = 60ft vertical, you would not obtain permission where I live, 3m is the max= without planning permission. =0A>>>=A0 =0A>>>Ken=A0=A0 M0KHW =0A>>>=A0 = =0A>>>=0A>>>________________________________=0A>>> =0A>>>From:owner-rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behal= f Of mal hamilton=0A>>>Sent: 18 February 2013 18:24=0A>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org=0A>>>Subject: Re: LF: Re: POOR ANTENNAS =0A>>>=A0 =0A>>>Gra= ham =0A>>>It is all inter related. But a few fundamentals are necessary. I= f it is so bad with for instance a 24 dB disadvantage I would MOVE or pack= it in. =0A>>>Too many excuses are used, the amateur has enough space for = a reasonable antenna but says he is concerned about what the neighbours mi= ght think. I have heard this so many times. How much space does a 60 ft ve= rtical take up, less than half a sq metre. =0A>>>Surely when a radio amate= ur is looking for a property he has antennas in mind and looks for the lar= gest real estate he can afford. =0A>>>especially if interested in MF or L= F. =0A>>>So wspr is totally dependent on the Receive operator ? and a vy = quiet location. I thought the whole idea was to overcome this problem =0A>= >>It is not working, as I said looking at the wspr database, some stns are= not even aware that others are active because of lack of signal for what = ever reason. =0A>>>mal/g3kev =0A>>>=A0 =0A>>>----- Original Message ----- = =0A>>>>From:Graham =0A>>>>To:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>>Sent:Mo= nday, February 18, 2013 5:01 PM =0A>>>>Subject:Re: LF: Re: POOR ANTENNAS = =0A>>>>=A0 =0A>>>>May be , may be not=A0 Mal =0A>>>>=A0 =0A>>>>The system = is=A0 reading=A0 the=A0 s/n=A0=A0 at the=A0 Rx=A0=A0 and=A0 not the=A0=A0 = field=A0 strength ........=A0 depends on the=A0 local=A0 noise level ,=A0= =A0 rst=A0=A0 159=A0 or =A0599=A0 , carrier=A0 still=A0 S9=A0 ,=A0=A0 1=3D= qrm=A0=A0=A0=A0 5=3D no=A0 qrm =0A>>>>From:mal hamilton =0A>>>>Sent:Mo= nday, February 18, 2013 4:49 PM =0A>>>>To:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A= >>>>Subject:LF: Re: POOR ANTENNAS =0A>>>>=A0 =0A>>>>Example =0A>>>>I am re= ceiving PA3EGO + 2dB another UK stn is showing -22 at a shorter distance.= A difference of 24 dB =0A>>>>and this station says he is an Expert!! =0A= >>>>=A0 =0A>>>>=A0 =0A>>>>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>>>>From:mal h= amilton =0A>>>>>To:rsgb =0A>>>>>Sent:Monday, February 18, 2013 4:42 PM = =0A>>>>>Subject:LF: POOR ANTENNAS =0A>>>>>=A0 =0A>>>>>MF =0A>>>>>One thing= the wspr=A0DB shows is how poor some Receivers/Antennas are comparing lik= e with like approximately same distances from Transmitter. =0A>>>>>=A0 = =0A>>>>>g3kev =0A>>>>>=A0 =0A>=0A>=0A>-- =0A>=0A>http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.= com/=0A>http://www.g3xbm.co.uk/=0A>https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/= =0A>http://qss2.blogspot.com/=0A>http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm=0A>=0A> = =0A>=0A> --856002529-574929982-1361226288=:16233 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
It is difficult Roger but it doesn't have to be a lattice mast.. Galv steel say 2" wate= r pipe Then reducing ally poles down to 1" for the very top section. I= t hardly shows on the sky line. A bit of camo= uflage with a spray can, and put up higher in stages. Make it= tilt over so you can get it down quickly.
&n= bsp;
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: Ro= ger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org>
Sent:= Monday, 18 February 2013, 21:00
Subject: Re: LF: Re: POOR ANTENNAS

Mal and Pete,
Thankfully I am able to manage the noise here at this (small) QTH, = but I know others have a more difficult job. Yes, well sited RX loops and E= -field probes help and usually a solution is possible.
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BTW, I cannot see many people being happy with a 60 foot vertical appearin= g next door.

73s
Roger G3XBM


On 18 February 2013 20:14, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> = wrote:
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Ken
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That seems to be the problem in merry old England. =0AEven if you= have the space, neighbours do not want you to put up an antenna and =0Anei= ther does the planing dept. In Scotland and Ireland there is a more laxed = =0Aapproach, more neighbourly.
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Pu= t in for planning and see what happens
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mal/g3kev
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----- Original Message -----
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From: =0A Ken
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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 7:52 =0A PM=0A
Subject: RE: LF: Re: POOR ANTENNAS
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Hi =0A Mal.
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It would be very = nice =0A to have a 60ft vertical, you would not obtain permission where I = live, 3m is =0A the max without planning permission.<= /font>
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Ken   =0A M0KHW=
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= From: =0A owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =0A [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] =0A On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 18 February 2013 18:24
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: POOR =0A ANTENNAS
=0A
Graham
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It is all i= nter related. But a few =0A fundamentals are necessary. If it is so bad wi= th for instance a 24 dB =0A disadvantage I would MOVE or pack it in.
=0A
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Too many excuses are used, the =0A amateur has enoug= h space for a reasonable antenna but says he is concerned =0A about what t= he neighbours might think. I have heard this so many times. How =0A much s= pace does a 60 ft vertical take up, less than half a sq =0A metre.<= /font>
=0A
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Surely when a radio amateur is =0A looking for a prope= rty he has antennas in mind and looks for the largest real =0A estate he c= an afford.
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especially if interested in MF or =0A= LF.
=0A
=0A
So wspr is totally dependent on =0A the = Receive operator ? and a vy quiet location. I thought the whole idea was = =0A to overcome this problem
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It is not working,= as I said =0A looking at the wspr database, some stns are not even aware = that others are =0A active because of lack of signal for what ever =0A re= ason.
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mal/g3kev
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----- Original Message ----- =0A
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From:<= /b>Graham =0A
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To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A =
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Sent: Monday, = =0A February 18, 2013 5:01 PM
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= Subject: Re: LF: =0A Re: POOR ANTENNAS
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= May be , may be not  =0A Mal
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The system is  reading&nb= sp; the  =0A s/n   at the  Rx   and  = not the   =0A field  strength ........  depends on t= he  local  noise =0A level ,   rst   159&n= bsp; or  599  , =0A carrier  still  S9  , =   1=3D =0A qrm     5=3D no  qrm =0A =
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Example<= /span>
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I am receiving PA3EGO + 2dB =0A another <= u>UK stn is showing -22 at a =0A shorter distan= ce. A difference of 24 dB
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and this station s= ays he is an =0A Expert!!
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=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A
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From: mal =0A hamilton =
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To:= r= sgb =0A
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Sent: =0A Monday, February 18, 2013 4:42 PM=
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Subject: LF: =0A POOR ANTEN= NAS
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MF
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One thing the wspr DB =0A shows= is how poor some Receivers/Antennas are comparing like with like =0A = approximately same distances from Transmitter. =0A
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