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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All As I said before the Genie is well and truly out of the bottle. While we debate the issue take a listen. Laws and Diktats are only obeyed if there is a sanction. There are no sanctions, so much better to engender a way of doing things by example and common purpose. The point about acres of space on space on VHF is true but the channelisation of the those frequencies has a lot to do with the barrenness. If you read my comments about 4m where locally a very large number of people had converted PMR kit and were Xtaled up for 70.45 and Sunday mornings it was joy. Then a certain organisation with its "Vogon" like tick the box mentality balls it all up with a band plan that in short time killed that activity stone dead. Oh we now have parrot repeaters and more planned. No body ever dives into an el cheapo pmr box and learns a bit. Or even understands the band of fast rising s9+ FM signals on 70.45 which was the local chat qrg and watering hole out to Croatia. Just imagine up comes S52XYZ oh please qsy by that time he's gone heard it happen. Sorry to bang on but prescriptive control stifles invention not just technical but operating ingenuity. And this may dismay you all, AM is being used on 472 / 479 as we speak! No call signs no pack drill. Just got my xtal for 472.5 this morning so about to play with that waggly thing if any one can read me being an old GAIT. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.66 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 804c13e3e9cee7c32671a3406f88976e Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="131296447-614031440-1357299787=:37976" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a50e6c37e2177 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --131296447-614031440-1357299787=:37976 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=0AAs I said before the Genie is well and truly out of the bottle. Wh= ile we debate the issue take a listen.=0ALaws and Diktats are only obeyed i= f there is a sanction. There are no sanctions, so much better to engender a= way of doing things by example and common purpose.=A0=0A=A0=0AThe point ab= out acres of space=A0on space on=A0VHF is true but the channelisation of th= e those frequencies has a lot to do=A0with the barrenness.=A0If you read my= comments about 4m where locally a very large number of people had converte= d PMR kit and were Xtaled up for 70.45 and Sunday mornings it was joy. Then= a certain organisation with its "Vogon"=A0like tick=A0the box mentality ba= lls it all up with a band plan that in short time killed that activity ston= e dead. Oh we now have parrot repeaters and more planned. No body ever dive= s into an el cheapo pmr box and learns a bit. Or even understands the band = of fast rising s9+ FM signals on 70.45=A0 which was the local chat qrg and = watering hole out to Croatia. Just imagine up comes S52XYZ oh please qsy by= that time he's gone=A0heard it happen. Sorry to bang on but prescriptive c= ontrol stifles invention not just technical but operating ingenuity. =0A=A0= =0AAnd this may dismay you all, AM is being used on 472 / 479 as we speak! = No call signs no pack drill.=0A=A0=0AJust got my xtal for 472.5 this mornin= g so about to play with that waggly thing if any one can read me being an o= ld=A0GAIT.=0A=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>____________________= ____________=0A> From: Graham =0A>To: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Friday, 4 January 2013, 11:06=0A>Subject: Re: LF= : 477 A local SSB chat band ?=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>In that=A0 short SSB =A0 te= st=A0 , it was =0Aquit=A0 evident=A0 that=A0 the=A0 propagation=A0 =0Achara= cteristics=A0 of the=A0=A0 band , assumedly in=A0 terms=A0 =0Aof=A0 ground= =A0 wave=A0 are=A0 actually=A0 quite=A0=A0 =0Aunique=A0 and offer=A0=A0 ver= y=A0 good=A0 short=A0 to=A0 =0Amedium=A0=A0 range=A0 =0A>=A0 =0A>Running=A0= 100=A0 watts=A0 to=A0 a=A0 40 x =0A70- ft=A0 inv L on 1.8 MHz=A0 would=A0 = not=A0 at=A0 =0A1300z=A0=A0 be received=A0 at=A0 S9=A0 at=A0 a range=A0 =0A= of=A0 100=A0 miles , or=A0 at=A0 25=A0 for=A0 that=A0 =0Amatter ,=A0 =0A>= =A0 =0A>In this=A0 context , it=A0 would appear that=A0 , =0Athough=A0 tech= nically challenging=A0=A0 ( at the=A0 moment)=A0 =0Assb=A0 operations=A0 on= =A0 MF are=A0 quite=A0 possible=A0 =0Aand=A0 effective , as would any=A0 ot= her=A0=A0 audio=A0 b/w=A0 =0Amode , noting=A0 the=A0 power / bandwidth=A0 d= istribution being=A0 =0Avery=A0 low=A0 compared to=A0 single=A0 carrier=A0 = modes , 100 =0Awatts=A0 produced=A0 quite=A0 acceptable=A0=A0 results=A0 = =0A>=A0 =0A>As for=A0 lunacy=A0 well=A0 that's=A0 a=A0 =0Amatter of=A0 opin= ion=A0 , there=A0 are=A0 very=A0 few=A0 =0Athat=A0 actually=A0 have a=A0 ce= rtificate=A0 to=A0 prove there =0A=A0 sane=A0=A0, I did=A0 note the band=A0= appeared to of=A0 =0Abeen=A0 released=A0 at=A0 a=A0 full=A0 moon=A0 , coin= cidence =0Aof=A0 course ! =0A>=A0 =0A>G.. =0A>=A0 =0A>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = =0A>=A0 =0A>=0A> =0A>From: Chris =0A>Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 8:49 A= M =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SS= B chat band ? =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi Colin, =0A>Not too sure what you're getting a= t. We all have =0Aour individual interests. I hope you're not suggesting th= e new band should only =0Abe used by=A0obsessive DX CW only enthusiasts? = =0A>Chris, G4AYT. =0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>From: M5FRA - Coli= n =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Friday, January 04, 20= 13 8:24 AM =0A>>Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? =0A>>=0A>> = =0A>>Just a thought.....when it gets totally washed out with SSB all 24 ho= urs how are you going to clean it out? People in general dont follow gentl= emen's agreements they were not party too.....and "it doesnt say I cant in= the licence". =0A>> =0A>>I fear that, though what you suggest would work= , it might encourage mayhem.=0A>> =0A>>I agree with Alan. What is wrong wit= h top band for local chats? Or the acres of unused space on 2m or=A070cms?= To consider using any form of SSB on 630m just because it might be techni= cally feasible if sheer lunacy. IMHO it would kill the band for other mode= s and the potential for QRM to other users will be high.=A0=A0As an ex G8 = who learned Morse in spite of a chronic medical condition I would say just= get on a do it. The rewards are well worth the effort. Or maybe effort is= a dirty word? =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Colin - G8FRA/M5FRA =0A>>=0A>>m5fra.org.uk = =0A>>=0A>> =0A>=0A> --131296447-614031440-1357299787=:37976 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All
As I said before the Genie is well and truly out of the bottle. While we debate the issue take a listen.
Laws and Diktats are only obeyed if there is a sanction. There= are no sanctions, so much better to engender a way of doing things by exam= ple and common purpose. 
 
The point about acres of space on space on VHF is true bu= t the channelisation of the those frequencies has a lot to do with the= barrenness. If you read m= y comments about 4m where locally a very large number of people had convert= ed PMR kit and were Xtaled up for 70.45 and Sunday mornings it was joy. Then a certain organisation with its "Vogon"&n= bsp;like tick the box mentality balls it all up with a band plan that in short time killed that activ= ity stone dead. Oh we now have parrot repeaters and more planned. No body e= ver dives into an el cheapo pmr box and learns a bit. Or even understands t= he band of fast rising s9+ FM signals on 70.45  which was the local ch= at qrg and watering hole out to Croatia. Just imagine up comes S52XYZ oh please qsy by that time he's gon= e heard it happen. Sorry to bang on bu= t prescriptive control stifles invention not just technical but operating <= span id=3D"misspell-14">ingenuity.
&nb= sp;
And this may dismay you all, AM is being used on 472 / 479 as w= e speak! No call signs no pack drill.
 
= Just got my xtal for 472.5 this morning so about to play with that waggly thing if any one can read me be= ing an old GAIT.
 <= /div>
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham= <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Friday, 4 January 2013, 11:06
Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?
=

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In that  short SSB=   test  , it was =0Aquit  evident  that  the = ; propagation  =0Acharacteristics  of the   band , assu= medly in  terms  =0Aof  ground  wave  are  ac= tually  quite   =0Aunique  and offer   very&n= bsp; good  short  to  =0Amedium   range 
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Running  100  watts  to  a  40 x =0A70-= ft  inv L on 1.8 MHz  would  not  at  =0A1300z&nb= sp;  be received  at  S9  at  a range  =0Aof&= nbsp; 100  miles , or  at  25  for  that  =0A= matter , 
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In this  context , it  would appear = that  , =0Athough  technically challenging   ( at the&n= bsp; moment)  =0Assb  operations  on  MF are  quit= e  possible  =0Aand  effective , as would any  other&nb= sp;  audio  b/w  =0Amode , noting  the  power / ba= ndwidth  distribution being  =0Avery  low  compared to&= nbsp; single  carrier  modes , 100 =0Awatts  produced  = quite  acceptable   results  =0A
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As for&n= bsp; lunacy  well  that's  a  =0Amatter of  opinio= n  , there  are  very  few  =0Athat  actually=   have a  certificate  to  prove there =0A  sane&n= bsp; , I did  note the band  appeared to of  =0Abeen&nb= sp; released  at  a  full  moon  , coincidence =0A= of  course !
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From: Chris
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Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 8:49 AM
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Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?
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Hi Co= lin,
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Not too sure what = you're getting at. We all have =0Aour individual interests. I hope you're n= ot suggesting the new band should only =0Abe used by obsessive DX CW o= nly enthusiasts?
=0A
Chris,= G4AYT.
=0A
=0A ----- Original Message -----
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From: =0A M5FRA -= Colin
=0A =0A=
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 8:24 =0A AM
=0A <= div style=3D"font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch:= normal;">Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat =0A band ?
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Just a thought.= ....when it gets totally washed out with SSB all 24 =0A hours how are you = going to clean it out? People in general dont follow =0A gentlemen's agree= ments they were not party too.....and "it doesnt say I cant =0A in the lic= ence".
=0A
=0A
=0A
I fear that, though what you =0A suggest would work,= it might encourage mayhem.

=0A
I agree with Al= an. What is wrong with top band for local chats? Or the =0A acres of unuse= d space on 2m or 70cms? To consider using any form of SSB =0A on 630m= just because it might be technically feasible if sheer lunacy. IMHO it =0A= would kill the band for other modes and the potential for QRM to other us= ers =0A will be high.  As an ex G8 who learned Morse in spite of= a chronic =0A medical condition I would say just get on a do it. The rewa= rds are well worth =0A the effort. Or maybe effort is a dirty word?
= =0A
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=0A
= Colin - G8FRA/M5FRA
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