Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mi02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 50DA6380000C3; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1TqrKz-00044s-Tg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:24:25 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1TqrKy-00044b-Mo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:24:24 +0000 Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.192]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TqrKw-0005LB-CB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:24:23 +0000 Received: from [212.82.105.244] by nm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 20:24:01 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.249] by tm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 20:24:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 20:24:01 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 373093.26961.bm@omp1014.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 39990 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2013 20:24:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1357244641; bh=CW3/CG3/uYyb3fAAf2v+kfAO9h/aV64P4+ZDY0hSTO4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HwTI+dDtvfbWJiYFfnivXQdJMnP3sqaiwxq78JOa4WhxshY/JsNrq8nuMveWkD/xChHk47D0d0HA+ixDlRONVcq1xeOOakVbrUiaWVZ0jEodWrFP35cxvoPKhEAVxODoQAkb6qfDrmedRI24wBo8pfbETe6yoSLpl9YWSf2TqJw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cmlCJ9EMz2TT7sKVFf/P8cSZHLKHc6SLvxG/XzlRCnHJCP/uJOg/QFheIknH4NKGVhu3XNCOnuC8Eu/vhTAHFCqyn5ongXKgFbR4tozMo4kYbuzYV4DGnnaa8fgDDad4jlLz+5RZmm+wk2Wox/etkqs/Dzs0h5VsiUIMi7zzJ04=; X-YMail-OSG: scu7GD8VM1mMEdMWUq30jNX1BGjOqoMAn9.xNjqbfU2sgK0 dtMo6egueV.ZNOdzqHrUnafDmodIOLqdpcDy917hLMdsjeCZj25OOyZpAYov a9y1MdsrSaq9AeXefa9Qbepspg7L8qbkejpvg0dUl4cYNvlGbkxI.2gK5SEC 4i0GIxEaLmEozVqr0sGDCuBJBJnkuBJYzfY58OWnP4kYdRnAtBnW7qthh_6r IVyGEEy.V7IwMqNhPpv7VpCVgcscuMfAvmnQIeX7_LURmBbIpX2L8.ZQ_AnB DiEqAfIB54AzJyP6AOIdI0KTut8lF7WMDXhuBrvjlfE0O5ZP1_.lUNNLzcH3 ceEDPf5h_NDm43OQ16vSnDjdVEfeELw6uiJ68ocpeuQG2oHEQ5_YvCHGT9r7 sfh3WHCI35lHYg_NQ8TnEQQe0B27aUePIMV81rvZ48nBBMnB06URzHL1iuD_ gsG.1YXxX1VEB6KFvlWQmyOwiwgtPttocOdbLVDMuP.23PgHMhQ-- Received: from [86.155.211.73] by web133203.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:24:00 GMT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,SGkgYWxsIApTb3JyeSBvdmVyIHJlZ3VsYXRpb24gYW5kIGlzIHdheSwgd2F5IHRvbwpwcm9zY3JpcHRpdmUuIApZb3UgY2FuIGFsbW9zdCBzZWUgd2hvIHBlb3BsZSB3b3JrIGZvciB3aGVuIHJlYWRpbmcKdGhlc2UgY29tbWVudHMuIApPbmUgY2FtcCBzaXRzIGluIHRoZSAiYWxsIGlzIHNvcnRlZCBub3RoaW5nCndpbGwgY2hhbmdlIiBjYW1wIHNvIHdlIGNhbiBnZXQgZG93biB0byB0aGUgbWludXRpYSBvZiBwcm9zY3JpcHRpdmUKY29udHJvbCwgdGhlIEJhaWxpd2ljayBvZiBhIENpdmlsIFNlcnZhbnQuIAoBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.129.483 References: <20961.6c91afbf.3d962a97@aol.com> <1FE273E837AA4D978CBB5A745E34368A@AGB> Message-ID: <1357244640.39053.YahooMailNeo@web133203.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:24:00 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <1FE273E837AA4D978CBB5A745E34368A@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all Sorry over regulation and is way, way too proscriptive. You can almost see who people work for when reading these comments. One camp sits in the "all is sorted nothing will change" camp so we can get down to the minutia of proscriptive control, the Bailiwick of a Civil Servant. The other camp is the lassez faire, blue sky mind that accepts the probability that the other man is a/ responsible b/ trustworthy c/ thinks about what he does etc. the sunny up lands of progress. But the sad fact is the VOGON mindset will prevail and the Policeman will jam the channels he thinks he is defending.... sad very sad... 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.192 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLYTO Reply-To/From or Reply-To/body contain different freemails X-Scan-Signature: 9bd342c7d74bc0c7d15d59c1164ca995 Subject: Re: LF: 630m Band Plan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="313692494-349887843-1357244640=:39053" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-mi02.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d7b8a50e5f0053529 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --313692494-349887843-1357244640=:39053 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all =0ASorry over regulation and is way, way too=0Aproscriptive. =0AYou = can almost see who people work for when reading=0Athese comments. =0AOne ca= mp sits in the "all is sorted nothing=0Awill change" camp so we can get dow= n to the minutia of proscriptive=0Acontrol, the Bailiwick of a Civil Servan= t. =0AThe other camp is the lassez faire, blue sky mind=0Athat accepts the = probability that the other man is a/ responsible b/=0Atrustworthy c/ thinks= about what he does etc. the sunny up lands of progress.=0ABut the sad fact= is the VOGON mindset will prevail=0Aand the Policeman will jam the channel= s he thinks he is defending.... sad very=0Asad...=0A=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0F= MT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Graham =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Thursday,= 3 January 2013, 16:42=0A>Subject: Re: LF: 630m Band Plan=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A= >The=A0 more=A0 one=A0 looks =0Aat=A0 this , the=A0 more=A0 sensible=A0 it= =A0 becomes=A0 =0A,=A0 I like the=A0 idea=A0 of=A0 a=A0 wide=A0 band=A0 mix= ed =0Amodes=A0=A0 area=A0=A0 474 usb=A0 , =0A>=A0 =0A>As without=A0 any=A0= formalities=A0 =0Awe=A0 can=A0 see=A0 the=A0 more=A0 primitive=A0=A0 =0Amo= des=A0 are=A0 congregating=A0 in the=A0 centre=A0 of the=A0 =0Aband , assum= edly=A0necessary =A0prevent out of band transmissions due =0Ato=A0 vfo=A0 d= rift=A0 or the=A0 like=A0 ? =0A>=A0 =0A>G ) =0A>=A0 =0A>=A0 =0A>=0A> =0A>Fr= om: KKorn42@aol.com =0A>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:18 PM =0A>To= : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Subject: LF: 630m Band Plan =0A>=0A>Dea= r All=0A>as a first proposal for discussion we present a "plan" that we =0A= coined the "B31 Band Plan for 630m". The name derives from the DOK to which= all =0Awho shared ideas, belong.=0A>Just to state it once more: it is a fi= rst basis and =0Aproposal and those who have an interest in operation betwe= en 472kHz and 479kHz =0A(up to now the slot allocated by the BuNetzA to Ger= man hams) are invited to =0Aagree, discuss or provide better ideas.=0A>Seve= ral hams already provided =0Aspecific proposals which were incorporated.=0A= >We deliberately did not detail =0Atoo much, as we do not think, that all c= an be fixed prior to actual =0Ademand. =0A>=0A>Please see attached gif-file= . =0A>=0A>1. A CW slot from 472kHz to 475kHz (=3D3kHz).=0A>2. Within that, = a region for =0Abeacons (472,000kHz to 472,150kHz) followed by a region for= Slow CW (472,150kHz =0Ato 472,300kHz).=0A>3. For TA-CW DX traffic or other= long-haul DX, a calling =0Afrequency shall be established at 472,600kHz.= =0A>4. For other CW traffic, =0Aanother calling frequency (if the necessity= exists) shall be established in the =0Aupper region of the CW allocation a= t 474,750kHz (474,500 occupied by =0A"SA").=0A>5. The frequency 472,500kHz = will not be allocated for special use (at =0Aleast for the time being), as = a continuous carrier is audible 24/7 throughout =0ADL.=0A>6. A slot for Dig= ital Modes from 475,0kHz to 479,0 (=3D 4kHz).=0A>7. Today =0Ait is much too= early to decide which digital modes will be used on 630m. We =0Apropose to= leave this open for the future. WSPR (474,200kHz Dial USB), OPERA and =0AR= OS (477,000kHz DIAL USB) have established themselves on the shown frequenci= es. =0ASome other modes that may be useful for MW but can not yet be used (= e.g. JT65HF) =0Abecause they allow no suitable frequency selection.=0A>8. D= igital Modes should =0Anot overlap each other (minor relocations may be nec= essary).=0A>9. Whether or =0Anot the shown "protection zones" of e.g. +/- 5= 0Hz around active NDB frequencies =0Aare necessary or not, ist still being = discussed.=0A>10. No further stipulations =0Awill be given. =0A>=0A>Walter = DJ2LF, Roland DL3NDR, Klaus DJ6LB =0A>=0A>NB (DJ6LB): Upon request I provid= e (via separate mail) a picture with =0Abetter resolution . =0A>=0A> =0A>= =0A> --313692494-349887843-1357244640=:39053 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=0A=0A
Hi all
= =0A=0A
Sorry ov= er regulation and is way, way too=0Aproscriptive.
<= div>=0A=0A
You can almost see who people work for when read= ing=0Athese comments.
=0A=0A
=0A=0A=
One camp sits in the = "all is sorted nothing=0Awill change" camp so we can get down to the minuti= a of proscriptive=0Acontrol, the Bailiwick of a Civil Servant. <= /span>
=0A=0A
The other camp is the lassez faire,= blue sky mind=0Athat accepts the probability that the other man is a/ resp= onsible b/=0Atrustworthy c/ thinks about what he does etc. the sunny up lan= ds of progress.
= =0A=0A
But the = sad fact is the VOGON mindset will prevail=0Aand the Policeman will jam the= channels he thinks he is defending.... sad very=0Asad...=
=0A=0A 
=0A=0A
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
=0A=0A
<= div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-siz= e: 12pt;">
From:<= /span> Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2013, 16:= 42
Subject: Re: LF: 63= 0m Band Plan

=0A=0A =0A =0A
=0A
The=   more  one  looks =0Aat  this , the  more  s= ensible  it  becomes  =0A,  I like the  idea = of  a  wide  band  mixed =0Amodes   area&nbs= p;  474 usb  ,
=0A
 
=0A
As without  any  formalities  =0Awe  can  see&nb= sp; the  more  primitive   =0Amodes  are  con= gregating  in the  centre  of the  =0Aband , assumedly&= nbsp;necessary  prevent out of band transmissions due =0Ato  vfo&= nbsp; drift  or the  like  ?
=0A
 
=0A
G )
=0A
 
=0A
 
=0A
=0A

=0A
=0A=0A
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:18 P= M
=0A=0A
Subject:= LF: 630m Band Plan
=0A

=0A=
=0A
Dear All
as a first proposal for discussion we present a "p= lan" that we =0Acoined the "B31 Band Plan for 630m". The name derives from = the DOK to which all =0Awho shared ideas, belong.
Just to state it once = more: it is a first basis and =0Aproposal and those who have an interest in= operation between 472kHz and 479kHz =0A(up to now the slot allocated by th= e BuNetzA to German hams) are invited to =0Aagree, discuss or provide bette= r ideas.
Several hams already provided =0Aspecific proposals which were = incorporated.
We deliberately did not detail =0Atoo much, as we do not t= hink, that all can be fixed prior to actual =0Ademand.
=0A
 <= /div>=0A
Please see attached gif-file.
=0A
 
=0A1. A CW slot from 472kHz to 475kHz (=3D3kHz).
2. Within that, a region = for =0Abeacons (472,000kHz to 472,150kHz) followed by a region for Slow CW = (472,150kHz =0Ato 472,300kHz).
3. For TA-CW DX traffic or other long-hau= l DX, a calling =0Afrequency shall be established at 472,600kHz.
4. For = other CW traffic, =0Aanother calling frequency (if the necessity exists) sh= all be established in the =0Aupper region of the CW allocation at 474,750kH= z (474,500 occupied by =0A"SA").
5. The frequency 472,500kHz will not be= allocated for special use (at =0Aleast for the time being), as a continuou= s carrier is audible 24/7 throughout =0ADL.
6. A slot for Digital Modes = from 475,0kHz to 479,0 (=3D 4kHz).
7. Today =0Ait is much too early to d= ecide which digital modes will be used on 630m. We =0Apropose to leave this= open for the future. WSPR (474,200kHz Dial USB), OPERA and =0AROS (477,000= kHz DIAL USB) have established themselves on the shown frequencies. =0ASome= other modes that may be useful for MW but can not yet be used (e.g. JT65HF= ) =0Abecause they allow no suitable frequency selection.
8. Digital Mode= s should =0Anot overlap each other (minor relocations may be necessary).9. Whether or =0Anot the shown "protection zones" of e.g. +/- 50Hz around = active NDB frequencies =0Aare necessary or not, ist still being discussed.<= br>10. No further stipulations =0Awill be given.
=0A
 
= =0A
Walter DJ2LF, Roland DL3NDR, Klaus DJ6LB
=0A
 
= =0A
NB (DJ6LB): Upon request I provide (via separate mail) a picture wi= th =0Abetter resolution .
=0A
 
=0A
 
=0A


--313692494-349887843-1357244640=:39053--