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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks for the info Mal. As I understand it the NDBs are classified as Low Power up to 50W, Medium Power up to 2000W and High Power above 2000W. So yes the ones I can hear could be like BC stations power wise. Well I hope the band builds but there arn't many (current ops) in the UK to migrate to 630m when we eventually get it. So you are probably right it may fizzle by the time we get on, all the DLs and others may be gone! [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.218 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f45514038df04b1035abb1d5446da941 Subject: Re: LF: 500 clutter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="856002529-1506525307-1351528365=:92321" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4116508eb54b4c43 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --856002529-1506525307-1351528365=:92321 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the info Mal.=0A=A0=0AAs I understand it the NDBs are classified= as Low Power up to 50W, Medium Power up to 2000W=A0and High Power above 20= 00W. So yes the ones I can hear could be like BC stations power wise. Well = I hope the band builds but there arn't many (current ops)=A0in the UK to mi= grate to 630m when we eventually get it. So you are probably right it may f= izzle by the time we get on, all the DLs=A0 and others may be gone!=0A=0A73= es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A> From= : mal hamilton =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0A>Sent: Monday, 29 October 2012, 14:39=0A>Subject: Re: LF: 500 clutter=0A= > =0A>=0A> =0A>Pete =0A>Some of these beacons are also running a few hundr= ed =0Awatts. I am often on 500 working QSX and have worked all the DL stns = so far =0Aactive. There are also others that have moved to 472 like OK2BVG,= OM1II, OZ8FOC =0Ain QSO cw mode and I have worked them as well. =0A>The ne= w band could well fizzle out when the novelty has =0Aworn off like 500 in t= he beginning and more so 137 Khz =0A>Beacon pollution has been the killer. = Except we see more =0ACW QSO acty the future for the band is bleak. =0A>For= some reason the big players on 160 have not taken an =0Ainterest on 500 or= 137. =0A>What potential operators want to hear on MF/LF are QSO'S =0Atakin= g place and not some unknown repeative Beacons churning out a callsign, =0A= locator and QSO via Internet. =0A>I can understand Weak signal experiments= on EME and such =0Aassociated frequencies and distances but it is not nece= ssary on MF. =0A>I and others have worked worldwide on 160 metres without = =0Ait at moderate power levels. =0A>I have also worked across the pond and= the Russian stns on =0A500 with good solid reports on CW and QRS=A03 over = the years since the =0Apermits were issued in the UK =0A>=0A>=A0 =0A>=A0 = =0A>=A0 =0A>73 de mal/g3kev =0A>=A0 =0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>= From: M0FMT =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Monday, Octo= ber 29, 2012 11:52 AM =0A>>Subject: Re: LF: 500 clutter =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi= Mal =0A>>=0A>>630m band is much much more active than 600m at the moment a= t least. All DLs of course, there hasn't been a night over the last couple= of weeks when I have not heard=A0a CW Call or QSO on or around 472.5. It = may be like 600m at the start then die out. The NDBs give a very good indi= cation of band conditions. Some of these stations are only 25Watts and I a= m hearing stuff 400 to a 1000 miles out every night,=A0but getting the=A0o= perating conditions for most is difficult, too bad it's not published. = =0A>>=0A>>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>> =0A>>=0A>>>______________________= __________=0A>>>From: mal hamilton =0A>>>To: rsgb <= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> =0A>>>Sent: Monday, 29 October 2012, 9:25=0A= >>>Subject: LF: 500 clutter=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>>MF =0A>>>I hope the ne= w 472 Khz band starting for all in January is not going to be cluttered by= DATA or other Beacons. There are already more than sufficient NDB's on th= e band, in fact they are also a nuisence. =0A>>>Stick to your guns Joe wit= h JT9 qso mode only =0A>>>=A0 =0A>>>de Mal/G3KEV =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>= =0A> --856002529-1506525307-1351528365=:92321 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the info= Mal.
 
As I understand = it the NDBs are classified as Low Power up to 50W, Medium Power up to 2000W=  and High Power above 2000W. So yes the ones I can hear could be like = BC stations power wise. Well I hope the band builds but there arn't many (c= urrent ops) in the UK to migrate to 630m when we eventually get it. So= you are probably right it may fizzle by the time we get on, all the DLs&nb= sp; and others may be gone!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net&= gt;
To: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org
Sent: = Monday, 29 October 2012, 14:39
Su= bject: Re: LF: 500 clutter

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Pete=0A
Some of these beacons are also running a few = hundred =0Awatts. I am often on 500 working QSX and have worked all the DL = stns so far =0Aactive. There are also others that have moved to 472 like OK= 2BVG, OM1II, OZ8FOC =0Ain QSO cw mode and I have worked them as well.
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The new band could well fizzle out when= the novelty has =0Aworn off like 500 in the beginning and more so 137 Khz<= /font>
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Beacon pollution has been the kill= er. Except we see more =0ACW QSO acty the future for the band is bleak.
=0A
For some reason the big players on 16= 0 have not taken an =0Ainterest on 500 or 137.
=0A
What potential operators want to hear on MF/LF are QSO'S =0Ata= king place and not some unknown repeative Beacons churning out a callsign, = =0Alocator and QSO via Internet.
=0A
= I can understand Weak signal experiments on EME and such =0Aassociated freq= uencies and distances but it is not necessary on MF.
=0A
I and others have worked worldwide on 160 metres without= =0Ait at moderate power levels.
=0A
= I have also worked across the pond and the Russian stns on =0A500 with good= solid reports on CW and QRS 3 over the years since the =0Apermits wer= e issued in the UK
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7= 3 de mal/g3kev
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Fr= om: =0A = M0FMT
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Sent: Monday, Octobe= r 29, 2012 11:52 =0A AM
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Subject: Re: LF: 500 c= lutter
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Hi Mal
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=0A 630m band is much much more active than 600m at the moment at least. All = =0A DLs of course, there hasn't been a night over the last couple of weeks= when I =0A have not heard a CW Call or QSO on or around 472.5. It ma= y be like 600m =0A at the start then die out. The NDBs give a very good in= dication of band =0A conditions. Some of these stations are only 25Watts a= nd I am hearing stuff 400 =0A to a 1000 miles out every night, but ge= tting the operating =0A conditions for most is difficult, too bad it'= s not published.
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT = IO91UX
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To: rsgb =0A <rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, 29 October 2012, =0A 9:25
Subject: LF: 500 =0A clutter

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MF
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= I hope the new 472 Khz band starting for all in =0A January is not going= to be cluttered by DATA or other Beacons. There are =0A already more th= an sufficient NDB's on the band, in fact they are also a =0A nuisence.
=0A
Stick to your guns Joe with JT9= qso mode =0A only
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&= nbsp;
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de Mal/G3KEV
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