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With credits to you, thanks. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: pa3abk To: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 18:57 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.71 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10 BODY: Message is 5% to 10% HTML obfuscation 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: c40596c1cc3306f1877076595a921c57 Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1480543034-1339094325=:66258" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466333344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m022.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64fd0f5744a94 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1480543034-1339094325=:66258 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jan=0A=A0=0AThis an apology but your information about Monaco has to be = of interest to all LF so I have publisher the PDF on the Yahoo Group file. = With credits to you, thanks.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A______= __________________________=0A From: pa3abk =0ATo: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 18:57=0ASubject: Re:= LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz=0A =0AStefan,=0AI have experience as a "former" user= of 500kHz.=0AUnder certain conditions there are "ducts" which enables you = with low power to cover large distances.=0AOne of my favourites was EU to B= razil. Mostly in the last watch Northsea traffic was loud and clear audible= off coast Rio.=0AThis condition could last for hours. You could contact th= e EU coaststation rather easy on their working channels=A0 with 250W shipst= x.=0AHowever high QRN in Brazil is rather problematic but sometimes the con= dx coincided with low QRN.=0AOffshore,=A0 QRN can be considerable less.=0AI= experienced these "tunnels" also between LA & Hawaii and LA & New Zealand.= =0ALeaving Red Sea Indian Ocean to Perth radio was also a nice link. (7000k= m!)=0AAt that time I consider it as "normal" not realising that nowadays th= ese are remarkable events if you put in hamradio perspective.=0A=0ABTW unde= rstand that Monaco seems to be 1st official country on 472kHz as from 18/5-= 2012.=0Ahttp://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticl= e&id=3D993:claude-passet&catid=3D53:spectrum=0A=0AHopefully all EU countrie= s implement=A0 this new QRG at the same time, otherwise you must keep a dat= abase in order to know were to listen for which country.=0ASomewhere from 4= 39-510kHz.=0AEU and making decisions together worries me.=0AJan/pa3abk=0A= =0A=0AOn 7-6-2012 12:45, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:=0A> Hi Joe, LF,=0A> =0A> Y= es, we're here of course :-)=0A> Unfortunately i still cannot receive on MF= . My RX is home made and vy narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable R= X in some time.=0A> BTW, what about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happe= ns to them when the new 475 kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an ex= tended frequency range then or will you have to QSY?=0A> And what about the= chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? Would it be possible to = have a CW QSO over that 4400 km distance?=0A> It would be possible for me t= o radiate 1 kW ERP on that band, however with a 1W (EIRP of course) limitat= ion, this may become a problem...=0A> =0A> 73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A> =0A> =0A> A= m 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca:=0A>> =0A>> Hopefully someone wil= l read this on Baa Baa....=0A>> =0A>> The beacon is running on a new freque= ncy with a CW ID and=0A>> a 10 second carrier.=A0 Reports most welcomed.=0A= >> =0A>> 73=0A>> Joe VO1NA=0A>> =0A>> This electronic communication is gove= rned by the terms and conditions at=0A>> http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/elec= tronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A-- pa3abk<->= =A0 dordrecht jo21it --435439028-1480543034-1339094325=:66258 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jan
=
 
This an apology but your information about Monaco has to be of in= terest to all LF so I have publisher the PDF on the Yahoo Group file. With credits to you, thanks.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: pa3abk <pa3abk@kpnmail.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 18:57<= br> Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz

Stefan,
I have exp= erience as a "former" user of 500kHz.
Under certain conditions there are= "ducts" which enables you with low power to cover large distances.
One = of my favourites was EU to Brazil. Mostly in the last watch Northsea traffic was loud and clear audible= off coast Rio.
This condition could last for hours. You could contact t= he EU coaststation rather easy on their= working channels  with 250W s= hipstx.
However high QRN<= /span> in Brazil is rather problematic but sometimes the condx coincided with low QRN.
Offshore,  QRN can be considerable less.
I experienced these = "tunnels" also between LA & Hawaii and LA & New Zealand.
Leaving Red Sea Indian Ocean to Per= th radio was also a nice link. (7000km!)
At that time I consider it as "= normal" not realising that nowadays these are remarkable events if you put = in hamradio perspective.
=
BTW understand that Monaco seems to be 1st official country on 472kHz a= s from 18/5-2012.
http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticle&= amp;id=3D993:claude-passet&catid=3D53:spectrum

Hopefully all EU count= ries implement  this new QRG at the same time, otherwise you must keep a database in order to know= were to listen for which country.
Somewhere from 439-510kHz.
EU and = making decisions together worries me.
Jan/pa3abk


On 7-6-2012 12:45, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:
> Hi Joe, LF,
&g= t;
> Yes, we're here of course :-)
> Unfortunately i still can= not receive on MF. My RX is home made and vy narrow band. But i'm going to have a suitable RX in some time.
> BTW, wh= at about all the 500 kHz allocations. What happens to them when the new 475= kHz band becomes permitted? Will you have an extended frequency range then= or will you have to QSY?> And what about the chances of this band? How easy is a TA detection? = Would it be possible to have a CW Q= SO over that 4400 km distance?
> It would be possible for me t= o radiate 1 kW ERP on that b= and, however with a 1W (EIRP= of course) limitation, this may become a problem...
>
> 73, S= tefan/DK7FC
>
>
> Am 07.06.2012 02:15, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca:
>> =
>> Hopefully someone will read this on Baa Baa....
>> >> The beacon is running on a new frequency with a CW ID and
>= ;> a 10 second carrier.  Reports most welcomed.
>>
>= ;> 73
>> Joe VO1= NA
>>
>> This electronic communication is governed by th= e terms and conditions at
>> http:/= /www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php <= br>>
>


-- pa3= abk<->  dordrecht= jo21it




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