Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 06665380000BA; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCZU-0001AI-Vh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:18:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCZU-0001A9-2J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:18:24 +0100 Received: from nm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.59]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbCZR-00025a-FC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:18:22 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.52] by nm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 15:18:20 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.245] by tm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 15:18:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2012 15:18:20 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.com Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 587015.65362.bm@omp1010.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 28243 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2012 15:18:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338736700; bh=xII/yTrYrovZ5E4bFkYT2AJj+ykwRx8JMCrHQKYr92Q=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HxJhN2s1Myfg6u6nYtAOwnFMjpJqsVUlOWNEAKUpqQlXVuA/+HjDte1WoygUjlO0laf0CqFeSszNTv77vVRqvZwit+JRJ3Krmabwv5GFYf1Jlh7p2tInm1s10apDcHzPMGmVROXgQVxzWIFxDuZUJQpLlS6hgh+ebvi0B0lyruI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dLAON5e5DBBU4p5EhdwgSjID3fOS8ntqekXovSi0v0Z87zDyybXXHiVYWkd/7NaAU2mWw0Gx/PC9+gsdjxwCYNjKnhq5LyJnQwMHorwrogpL8K2wvUiiefd/3jIP+wrRGvH1SVQLA4prNQ74gJ9EeILiNwxg43HYUKn3JviuCSk=; X-YMail-OSG: qezF7pgVM1lFBwp2oCZ7qQxKYleHwN7TLOCpHO4JF3FJoFm 1wuxCzeOV4EUiXUp.74Dvsvpk8.t9XViF8.Jf2Uky1oz0n_rcc0lwZg2ZKGW pr.JulmB483aSgNgd2DXIVegf6az8dNyhdZ9JnCsgCvYEqzRys.lB9g.I3ga oI44RYZjY4yn9Pi.7C0NGEPF3RhBvPNihO81UOBkhrYIO9A0NUekeS0UQzFl HYedrFxhPqLCOsT7Cgn1rjaJ4Cc5b9nOouRL9cXfJGLm98b0BjkOuMOKjvvC zZ6wDiN_LmVt9hFJzOm3QKYdsCA3Nk7D1ORWN4pOkZGmvW95BprVAe7P2xPg SpkA0.JuaBGUHCeMt73XgjN_ybPaytzf_f1uiYBKOnFB_Erynh0VL2mV46k4 .9LmV9fD1X41MVqdSrBiWzglq546Lm6KxUgdhHVRCvdCt.v.0asEo2NBzF1i ShdxlZQSlpx9M_XSpjJZ1xFQHjB2xH8g2URjZ13NQ7yYHBSmq0KuVWe5A1v3 8QB_iXVj1MJngZE4hrmDejdWai_cNpE78ti_wocD8WlQJE7avoMMs1H.Zg8U vySNfLThQn2f4NPYEsds- Received: from [87.6.206.85] by web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:18:20 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FCB7CC1.6030803@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: <1338736700.22711.YahooMailNeo@web29504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:18:20 +0100 (BST) From: Daniele Tincani To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <4FCB7CC1.6030803@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Honestly I'm a bit confused by this (long) discussion taking place on two lists at the same time :-) I observe that it is not rare that the same subject (e.g. LF/VLF radio) is covered by different lists on different platforms with no conflicts and usually the members of one list are not asked to decide if another list should survive or not. Best regards Daniele [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 9bd342c7d74bc0c7d15d59c1164ca995 Subject: Re: LF: Poll announcement Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1740643075-175115766-1338736700=:22711" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:478764768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m003.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4fcb807279f4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1740643075-175115766-1338736700=:22711 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Honestly I'm a bit confused by this (long) discussion taking place on two l= ists at the same time :-)=0AI observe that it is not rare that the same sub= ject (e.g. LF/VLF radio) is covered by different lists on different platfor= ms with no conflicts and usually the members of one list are not asked to d= ecide if another list should survive or not.=0ABest regards=0ADaniele=0A = =0A=0A________________________________=0A Da: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0AA: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0AInviato: D= omenica 3 Giugno 2012 17:03=0AOggetto: Re: LF: Poll announcement=0A =0A=0A= =0AOf course all those who like yahoo have no problem to take part in the= =0Apoll. But there may be some who say "i won't bother with this yahoo=0Ast= uff". Those will have no real chance to take part. Based on a yahoo=0Apoll = it is advantaged to pro-yahoo in advance.=0AAnyway i will subsrcibe and try= to give my vote, as long as i don't=0Aneed an extra yahoo account for that= . It was easy to subscribe to the=0Alist but i'm afraid that taking part in= a poll assumes to have a yahoo=0Aaccount. Then i cannot see the poll as re= ally valid.=0A=0AIn that case, someone may have in mind that i vote for bla= cksheep. =0ATwo separate groups would be a bad compromise and they would al= ways try=0Ato pull members from the other group to themselves. Anyway i wou= ld=0Aagree to such a compromise.=0A=0AOn the blacksheep refelector we have = been ONE GROUP, now we may loose a=0Aminority, maybe. For what? MORE MORE M= ORE=0AVery sad!=0A=0ABTW Please don't forget those who are not so familiar = with the=0Aenglish language! They may be very LF interested but can't follo= w=0Athe discussion and tell their opinion in an understandable way. Minorit= ies,=0Abut worth to think about!=0A=0AStefan/DK7FC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAm 03.06.2= 012 15:57, schrieb John Gould: =0AI've=0Aput up a poll on the Yahoo! Group = version to see whether there is a=0Aclear view on the way forward. =A0I tho= ught that there was, but there=0Aseem to still be some with concerns. =A0 I= personally don't want to have=0Atwo groups, which is why I didn't support = a move to Yahoo! Groups=0Aearlier; I thought from what I had read on the li= st that there were=0Alots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo!= Groups offering.=0A=A0Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yaho= o! Groups and it=0Aoffers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile see= ing what the=0Apreference is for the way forward. =A0 =0A>=0A> =0A>For=0Ath= ose not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of course=0Ahav= e to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can=0Aexercise you= r right to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish). =0A>=0A> =0A>The=0Adet= ail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as follow: =0A>=0A>= =0A>=0AEnter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the=0A>rsgb_= lf_group=0Agroup:=0A>=0A>Now=0Athat you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! G= roups list,=0A>how=0Ado you want to continue?=0A>=0A>o=0AWith the Yahoo! Gr= oups list=0A>o=0AWith the Blacksheep.org list=0A>o=0ABoth lists=0A>=0A>=0A>= To=0Avote, please visit the following web page:=0A>http://uk.groups.yahoo.c= om/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=3D13140385=0A>=0A>Note:=0APlease do not r= eply to this message. Poll votes are=0A>not=0Acollected via email. To vote,= you must go to the Yahoo! Groups=0A>web=0Asite listed above.=0A>=0A>Thanks= ! =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>73=0AJohn, G3WKL ---1740643075-175115766-1338736700=:22711 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Honestly I'm a bit confused by this (long) discussion taking place on two= lists at the same time :-)
I observe that it is not= rare that the same subject (e.g. LF/VLF radio) is covered by different lis= ts on different platforms with no conflicts and usually the members of one = list are not asked to decide if another list should survive or not.<= /div>
Best regards
Daniele

Da: Stefan Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Sch= aefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
A= : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Inviato: Domenica 3 Giugno 2012 17:03
Oggetto: Re: LF: Poll announcement
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=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A
=0AOf course all th= ose who like yahoo have no problem to take part in the=0Apoll. But there ma= y be some who say "i won't bother with this yahoo=0Astuff". Those will have= no real chance to take part. Based on a yahoo=0Apoll it is advantaged to p= ro-yahoo in advance.
=0AAnyway i will subsrcibe and try to give my vote,= as long as i don't=0Aneed an extra yahoo account for that. It was easy to = subscribe to the=0Alist but i'm afraid that taking part in a poll assumes t= o have a yahoo=0Aaccount. Then i cannot see the poll as really valid.
= =0A
=0AIn that case, someone may have in mind that i vote for blacksheep= .
=0ATwo separate groups would be a bad compromise and they would alway= s try=0Ato pull members from the other group to themselves. Anyway i would= =0Aagree to such a compromise.
=0A
=0AOn the blacksheep refelector we= have been ONE GROUP, now we may loose a=0Aminority, maybe. For what? MORE = MORE MORE
=0AVery sad!
=0A
=0ABTW Please don't forget those who= are not so familiar with the=0Aenglish language! They may be very LF i= nterested but can't follow=0Athe discussion and tell their opinion in an un= derstandable way. Minorities,=0Abut worth to think about!
=0A
= =0AStefan/DK7FC
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0AAm 03.06.2012 15:57, schr= ieb John Gould:=0A
=0A
I've=0Aput up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whet= her there is a=0Aclear view on the way forward.  I thought that there = was, but there=0Aseem to still be some with concerns.   I personally d= on't want to have=0Atwo groups, which is why I didn't support a move to Yah= oo! Groups=0Aearlier; I thought from what I had read on the list that there= were=0Alots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Groups offer= ing.=0A Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! Groups = and it=0Aoffers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile seeing what t= he=0Apreference is for the way forward.  
=0A

=0A
=0A
For=0Athose not currently members of the Yahoo! Gr= oup list you will of course=0Ahave to join in order to vote, but at least t= his is how you can=0Aexercise your right to vote (and leave afterwards, if = you wish).
=0A

= =0A
=0A
The=0Adetai= l of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as follow:=0A

=0A
=0A = =0A

=0A
=0AEnter your vote today! A new poll has been = created for the
=0A rsgb_lf_group=0Agroup:
=0A
=0A Now=0Athat you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list= ,
=0A how=0Ado you want to continue?
=0A
=0A o=0AWith the Yahoo! Groups list
=0A o=0AWith the Blacksheep.org = list
=0A o=0ABoth lists
=0A
=0A
=0A <= span style=3D"text-align: left; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; back= ground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">To=0Avote, please visit the following we= b page:
=0A http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surve= ys?id=3D13140385
=0A
=0A Note:=0APlease d= o not reply to this message. Poll votes are
=0A not=0Acollected via email= . To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
=0A web=0Asite listed above.<= /span>
=0A
=0A Thanks!=0A

=0A
=0A

=0A
=0A
73=0AJohn, G3WKL
=0A
=0A
=0A= =0A

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