Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6F7E938000087; Thu, 31 May 2012 02:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SZyVR-0000j3-Ao for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 07:05:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SZyVQ-0000iu-Cu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 07:05:08 +0100 Received: from nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.62]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SZyVN-0001Bu-Ty for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 07:05:07 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 06:05:03 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.243] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 06:05:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2012 06:05:03 -0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 1584.54988.bm@omp1008.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 22639 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2012 06:05:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1338444302; bh=OxSzbIkOqGFU/qqp7jwsMeeAERd7pjFcsnQI8k5cfNo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eb09oeRVOMvV9YpZDOQZy+p5mqdIMGevO+HPtSOaOsF4jh2PFzVk/qzxhvEAGyqKxEt6NHhc3uEJpcXWkPedI1LsJRizb8/zWaU1JvE3ThSXxdDX8r2kGmSu7lxQ0Q3hzDDid8bRc3M9QWHTjoKZW84h4B3ZAT/Wb+LjKR/loG8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BpsEIEQq49iBUUQvPQfMzzCvyt+AHWg07uUYd77dPxrXg0aYAj8jtXRLlotCBSNoN8juTlIt274gQWavXMkbf+AhnSh9lhpVjNVMvGtc69KWekIveOk0evFpEYXF30NcydrAYO2L7mW+Be0ZEBNcN7LhyzA3TLkBRKtAcCWlbWI=; X-YMail-OSG: aQdSyssVM1kNitH8qBNJQDV0EQ.2H0C9QvDf0vfHzMdtrWJ dQK1Ah_EOoYhxCbLSIHSpNOnXwJN4lj66aujmBKO9HhtErFzO7trqMnpbegS nvsBcnjN7dYC0RauGYhmRwN63WpAWW03vGSypxbXI8HCnWHPS4bklG8gbpDf SjBPusD9fv.4vbBgg7Y02hkKfuSDlfWpdlFraxiHpypcRxzaAR8i0D4uQIj5 29pGlwMU872p7pn8tQjqXFtcJoobxzB4nOLPYL5Nu04rxqdwMxHekiVar8y5 WDw0bdoCgjlq_t04vTdzqKGSxN8r_qofJvIA_fX4mh58luT1P89ZojA5AJNG whR1FhdRoKB_BlNr_CvJYxF6._pDyR8J4EN_xVpzI0gmEAKWNIN5jHMqCSdz oZNZAlV48DSBa4_gTUl0uN.ulrTZzPkQlxWYs0mbv4Pg0sGhEE3Vxr1.USS6 umxWuJVCQR_JpfiejqlYWN1Wu63Cazq2Xhg-- Received: from [86.164.75.240] by web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 07:05:02 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <8BE4322932454ABBAF36917E7F0B7293@uwePC> <02bb01cd3eb1$c4cb1730$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Message-ID: <1338444302.19906.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 07:05:02 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham Is there any proper documentation for this Opera stuff? Like description of the method of Keying and how the logging system works. How do you get qso data off the application other than screen dumps which seems a bit crude. There are software buttons but they don't all work as advertised.  Can you tell me where the full documentation is kept? Can you tell me the Keying principle? I have not put the PC SC output on the scope but there must be an easier way to get at the info. Is it FSK or Phase shift or some clever On/Off keying or Magic? Is there a web data base or is the screen info just a one shot? Do I need an Internet connection during Beacon or QSO ing? With my issues concerning Good Old BT and their 19th century technology, rusty copper and wet string, in the far flung out posts of North Hertfordshire that can't be done, so does that preclude full use of this system. Or is it all a secret and one has to dig into the application? Info in README is sparse. Has there been any projects to put this application of PIC processor for say TX Beacon mode? Or RX for that matter?  There are more questions but any help would be of interest. Now that I have managed to probably defeat BTs best efforts to keep me off 500kc/s I would like to explore this mode a bit more. Thanks. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: b707651713bcd4ad9db4bb0f5d794041 Subject: Re: LF: 475 kc Exiter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-176341844-386701057-1338444302=:19906" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:459011808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m012.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4fc70a796dd2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---176341844-386701057-1338444302=:19906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham=0AIs there any proper documentation for this Opera stuff? Like de= scription of the method of Keying and how the logging system works. How do = you get qso data off the application other than screen dumps which seems a = bit crude. There are software buttons but they don't all work as advertised= .=0A=C2=A0=0ACan you tell me where the full documentation is kept?=0ACan yo= u tell me the Keying principle? I have not put the PC SC output on the scop= e but there must be an easier way to get at the info. Is it FSK or Phase sh= ift or some clever On/Off keying or Magic?=0AIs there a web data base or is= the screen info just a one shot?=0ADo I need an Internet connection during= Beacon or QSO ing? With my issues concerning Good Old BT and their=C2=A019= th century technology, rusty copper and wet string, in the far flung out po= sts of North Hertfordshire that can't be done, so does that preclude full u= se of this system.=0AOr is it all a secret and one has to dig into the appl= ication? Info in README is sparse.=0AHas there been any projects to put thi= s application of PIC processor for say TX Beacon mode? Or RX for that matte= r?=0A=C2=A0=0AThere are more questions but any help would be of interest. N= ow that I have managed to probably defeat=C2=A0BTs best efforts to keep me = off 500kc/s I would like to explore this mode a bit more. Thanks.=0A=0A73 e= s GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Gr= aham =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: = Thursday, 31 May 2012, 0:02=0ASubject: Re: LF: 475 kc Exiter=0A =0ATX500 i= s not supporting WSPR or Opera=0A=0AOpera is a single frequency=C2=A0 on/of= f=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CW key replacement=C2=A0 mode , if it=C2=A0 can =0Asend=C2= =A0 CW or=C2=A0 QRSS=C2=A0 , then=C2=A0 it can=C2=A0 send=C2=A0 Opera=C2= =A0 via the=C2=A0 com-port keying =0Afacility, as many of the=C2=A0 MF/LF= =C2=A0 stations=C2=A0 are=C2=A0 so=C2=A0 doing.=0A=0AWSPR on the=C2=A0 oth= er=C2=A0 hand is=C2=A0 FSK based and requires , either=C2=A0 audio>Rf =0Atr= anslation=C2=A0 or=C2=A0 DDS=C2=A0 excitation , each has its=C2=A0 own uses= , the design =0Arequirement /=C2=A0 concept=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 Opera=C2=A0 was= =C2=A0 a=C2=A0 'Data mode'=C2=A0 ' To be=C2=A0 sent via a =0Anormal CW Tx'= =0A=0AG..=0A=0A=0A=0A--------------------------------------------------=0AF= rom: "Clemens=C2=A0 Paul" =0ASent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1= 1:15 PM=0ATo: =0ASubject: Re: LF: 475 kc Exit= er=0A=0A> Uwe,=0A>=0A> here an Email from Juma from 2/2012 1regarding furth= er developments:=0A>=0A>>Hello Clemens,=0A>>Thanks for your interest in JUM= A TX500.=0A>>TX500 is not supporting WSPR or Opera. We will consider new tr= ansmit modes =0A>>in the future.=0A>=0A> 73=0A> Clemens=0A> DL4RAJ=0A>=0A> = ----- Original Message ----- =0A> From: "Warren Ziegler" = =0A> To: =0A> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7= :45 PM=0A> Subject: Re: LF: 475 kc Exiter=0A>=0A>=0A> Uwe,=0A>=0A>=C2=A0 T= he Juma 500 is a FB little transmitter, lots of built-in features=0A> (synt= hesizer, keyer, swr bridge, receive preselector, receive=0A> converter) in = a very small package. It is capable of more than 60W=0A> out, I have run it= with 15vdc (which is in-spec) and with a 30 ohm or=0A> so antenna impedanc= e you can get 100W out all day and all night with=0A> no complaints.=0A>=0A= > 73 Warren K2ORS=0A>=0A>=0A> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Uwe Wensauer= wrote:=0A>> What do You think about the JUMA TX500 T= ransmitterI=0A>>=0A>> In my eyes a small Rig with 60 Watt and built in Conv= erter.=0A>>=0A>> By the way, have a look at the filters in use =E2=80=93 ea= sy to built an =0A>> duplicate=0A>>=0A>> Uwe, dk1kq=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> -- =0A>= 73 Warren K2ORS=0A> WD2XGJ=0A> WD2XSH/23=0A> WE2XEB/2=0A> WE2XGR/1=0A>=0A>= =0A>=0A> -----=0A> E-Mail ist virenfrei.=0A> Von AVG =C3=BCberpr=C3=BCft - = www.avg.de=0A> Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5033 - Ausgabeda= tum: =0A> 30.05.2012=0A>=0A>=0A> ---176341844-386701057-1338444302=:19906 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham
Is there any proper documentation for this Opera stuff? Like = description of the method of Keying and how the logging system works. How d= o you get qso data off the application other than screen dumps which seems = a bit crude. There are software buttons but they don't all work as advertis= ed.
 
Can you tell me wh= ere the full documentation is kept?
Can you tell me = the Keying principle? I have not put the PC SC output on the scope but ther= e must be an easier way to get at the info. Is it FSK or Phase shift or som= e clever On/Off keying or Magic?
Is there a web data= base or is the screen info just a one shot?
Do I ne= ed an Internet connection during Beacon or QSO ing? With my issues concerning Good Old BT and their 19th century technology, rusty coppe= r and wet string, in the far flung out posts of North Hertfordshire that ca= n't be done, so does that preclude full use of this system.
Or is it all a secret and one has to dig into the application? Info= in README is sparse.
Has there been any projects to= put this application of PIC processor for say TX Beacon mode? Or RX for th= at matter?
 
There are more questions but any help would be of interest. Now that I ha= ve managed to probably defeat BTs best efforts to keep me off 500kc/s = I would like to explore this mode a bit more. Thanks.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2012, 0:02
= Subject: Re: LF: 475 kc E= xiter

TX500 is not supporting WSPR or Opera

O= pera is a single frequency  on/off    CW key replacement&nbs= p; mode , if it  can
send  CW or  QRSS  , then = ; it can  send  Opera  via the  com-port keying
f= acility, as many of the  MF/LF  stations  are  so = ; doing.

WSPR on the  other  hand is  FSK based and re= quires , either  audio>Rf
translation  or  DDS  = excitation , each has its  own uses , the design
requirement /&nbs= p; concept  of  Opera  was  a  'Data mode'  = ' To be  sent via a
normal CW Tx'

G..



------= --------------------------------------------
From: "Clemens  Paul" = <cpaul= @gmx.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:15 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: Re: LF: 47= 5 kc Exiter

> Uwe,
>
> here an Email from Juma from 2= /2012 1regarding further developments:
>
>>Hello Clemens,>>Thanks for your interest in JUMA TX500.
>>TX500 is not supporting WSPR or Opera. We will consider new transmit modes
>>= in the future.
>
> 73
> Clemens
> DL4RAJ
>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Warren Ziegler" <wd2xgj@= gmail.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:45 PM
> Subj= ect: Re: LF: 475 kc Exiter
>
>
> Uwe,
>
>&nbs= p; The Juma 500 is a FB little transmitter, lots of built-in features
&= gt; (synthesizer, keyer, swr bridge, receive preselector, receive
> c= onverter) in a very small package. It is capable of more than 60W
> o= ut, I have run it with 15vdc (which is in-spec) and with a 30 ohm or
>= ; so antenna impedance you can get 100W out all day and all night with
> no complaints.
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>
>= ;
> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Uwe Wensauer <uwe.wensauer= @gmx.de> wrote:
>> What do You think about the JUMA TX500 T= ransmitterI
>>
>> In my eyes a small Rig with 60 Watt and= built in Converter.
>>
>> By the way, have a look at the= filters in use =E2=80=93 easy to built an
>> duplicate
>&g= t;
>> Uwe, dk1kq
>
>
>
> --
> 73 Wa= rren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> WD2XSH/23
> WE2XEB/2
> WE2XGR= /1
>
>
>
> -----
> E-Mail ist virenfrei.
&= gt; Von AVG =C3=BCberpr=C3=BCft - www.avg.de
> Version: 2012.0.2178 /= Virendatenbank: 2425/5033 - Ausgabedatum:
> 30.05.2012
>
&= gt;
>



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