Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5364438000081; Thu, 24 May 2012 19:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SXhhK-0001Ii-7Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 00:44:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SXhhJ-0001IZ-De for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 00:44:01 +0100 Received: from nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SXhhH-0003Fi-0Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 00:44:00 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.51] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2012 23:43:57 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2012 23:43:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2012 23:43:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 57309.86116.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 243 invoked by uid 60001); 24 May 2012 23:43:56 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1337903036; bh=GJdhw5ZhKCun4yN4FjRQhwBaV7O4wj0/YNso6gfC3/Y=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MyBN9CWfIka1tYiPdUZvu/0E2FbztTiX8xctZlYW71u3W6QNBc+GkUAZ3iR7DBxd4b9qS8dlENgmAyRY49zdVlKTkJLl7VVgeakrypX7cidE1xw1RoaLOLPQzKdXFMSOI7ZaWUXbmYLb/vPv6Hpghnk1nYb1bc1SKOMQOknWS5Y= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JC/vpMcnls4UQcHhELx1+CcC90BICTbgfsA9zBPyPO+1hi5uwJmt/nBuqZH/5pZcxJRjEeoc6ZGzEYwVts1ZortXZGFle/h7TsA+l46NNdRxreNdJzHkYPR3JeB4VyPcfnIebMyHumwXzmc2B5UDDI0GQq2/WuJp/ippFzwcs2Y=; X-YMail-OSG: d1hfVDgVM1l6zAVe.Sdtr7rupwex5yaj6vWZ5JmNsjkF_6W 2m4KHujPrSp_GjWAWcdO0FehJkMt9e46ZoE9ssnAGfktXyNeGe4.Yav9FyH1 qamZZKbpfo2LJRMwNYPguP1a9vIbcy86rulBmvUcm1zJMElUGn.RJzGWKeCI VIvL9P7jtyYwqgQ5ZCFSeF.K4qCl.VDjwmiQlxY6dSdVEgzBQL2jjo788X9E 4Sc_IO0pNH0FON5.S5xJb_oXi1ShsF1Fg7Qfg3OgKHLPG5P1i4bp7YSdMjkZ jvdGISKr1olq95RPiC2pjMCtYMSaFLZb2wXPpaTs2AjBv3s9sufaMclywSKB tlRr2r1YwtbBZVCvQ2NfaTU_KIoP4L70bdJNm_Yj9ehPtP3.CsV3leN4TIbr 6ApDGBlXgNKsG.sWECxqXKmDJbu3rx3JxRLRU8d4h_IDRxlo0K_iukl1CeZF Csd8fT7DC4bIu56YhAUY6AVp90.RVpPoAEsYuQJPuSh6xWVE1fXBPskbPeWH RWa3u5JzKGLnoGrK2G5Im9YUOVGHAfnHeWhrCj7s- Received: from [80.46.69.162] by web87404.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 May 2012 00:43:56 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337903036.79610.YahooMailClassic@web87404.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 00:43:56 +0100 (BST) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: NO you would not be excluded. The normal way is to accept joining requests which post a sensible note to the owner (i.e not from a spambot) then your first mssage is moderated (i.e. looked at for relevance, NOT censored) If it is out-and-out spam you will be banned or supended until you have cleaned up the 'bots on your PC or changed your address/password if it has been hacked. There are regular attempts to get through incorrectly set uop Groups. It it is regarded as way off topic, or breaking the owners rules you may be warned and stay on moderation. like somone who persistently sends 10MB attachments through the Group. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: Re: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485468320:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d287.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584fbec7fb1c7e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror NO you would not be excluded. The normal way is to accept joining requests = which post a sensible note to the owner (i.e not from a spambot) then your = first mssage is moderated (i.e. looked at for relevance, NOT censored) If i= t is out-and-out spam you will be banned or supended until you have cleaned= up the 'bots on your PC or changed your address/password if it has been ha= cked. There are regular attempts to get through incorrectly set uop Groups.= It it is regarded as way off topic, or breaking the owners rules you may b= e warned and stay on moderation. like somone who persistently sends 10MB at= tachments through the Group.=0A=0AAt least that is the way the groups I dea= l with work, and it is extremely successfull one has over 3000 members.=0A= =0AThe only reservation I have is that new list owners seem to be able to u= nilaterally subscribe participants in another Group to their Group. These a= re then hit with spam. Yahoo will not remove this function and is slow resp= onding to complaints about regular offenders. Unfortunately they get your e= mail address when you log into the spurious group to unsubscribe. I have no= t had oo much trouble with tis recently so maybe Yahoo have squelched it.= =0A=0AAlan G3NYK=0A=0A=0A--- On Thu, 24/5/12, Andy Smith wrote:=0A=0A> From: Andy Smith =0A> Subject: Re: LF: A= n "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE=0A> To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org=0A> Date: Thursday, 24 May, 2012, 23:16=0A> On Thu, May 24, 2012= at 6:17 PM,=0A> Alberto di Bene =0A> wrote:=0A> > Another = suggestion is to not make it an open group,=0A> meaning that each=0A> > req= uest for membership should be=0A> > accompanied by a very short introductor= y message=0A> explaining why that=0A> > membership is requested.=0A> > Then= the moderator(s) of the group will decide whether=0A> to accept it or not.= =0A> > I suppose the same is done=0A> > presently with the Majordomo mailer= .=0A> >=0A> > And, if that introductory message is convincing, but up=0A> t= o a point... then=0A> > the moderator can accept the individual,=0A> > but = putting him in moderation status, meaning that=0A> every message from him= =0A> > must be examined by the moderator(s)=0A> > before being published.= =A0 The moderation status can be=0A> removed after a couple=0A> > of legiti= mate messages from the guy,=0A> > showing that he is not a troll or spammer= .=0A> =0A> I see where you're coming from, but there's probably more=0A> th= an me on=0A> here who are just lurkers, and we'd be excluded because we=0A>= don't post.=0A> I've been signed up to the list for months (nearly a year?= )=0A> purely=0A> because I'm interested in LF. I don't have the equipment o= r=0A> the space=0A> for LF operation but I've followed the achievements tha= t=0A> have been=0A> made between some of the members on this list and it al= ways=0A> makes for=0A> interesting reading.=0A> =0A> Running a mailing list= isn't difficult, but Yahoo groups is=0A> probably=0A> the best way to go. = Those who want to get the messages by=0A> e-mail=0A> notice no difference, = and there's the occasionally useful=0A> extras if=0A> needed.=0A> =0A> My 2= p worth!=0A> =0A> Andy=0A> M0VKG=0A> =0A> -- =0A> Andy Smith=0A> +44 7848 9= 58821 : http://m0vkg.org.uk/ : http://andys.org.uk/=0A> =0A>