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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Alan Thanks for coming back it was really a rhetorical outburst at yet other project failure. But in a way its nice to know I am not entirely alone. It looks as though you have been there before me. I am relatively new to PIC programming and I don't know what I am doing. Try to "Save" from my programmer does not work it saves the text file OK but not completely. So if loaded into a new or blank PIC it won't run. However if say down loaded from an operational PIC held in the programmer S/W and modified at HEX level then load into a blank PIC its OK!! I have a lot to learn. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.197 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d0d76c369792b807e0925732d18ad9b1 Subject: Re: LF: Re: PIC Projects with no HEX code Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-1221840473-1335791883=:93357" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:490501952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m249.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41164f9e91492eab X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-1221840473-1335791883=:93357 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alan=0A=0AThanks for coming back it was really a rhetorical outburst at = yet other project failure. But in a way its nice to know I am not entirely = alone.=0AIt looks as though you have been there before me. I am relatively = new to PIC programming and I don't know what I am doing. Try to "Save" from= my programmer does not work it saves the text file OK but not completely. = So if loaded into a new=A0 or blank=A0PIC it won't run. However if=A0say do= wn loaded from an operational PIC held in the=A0programmer S/W and modified= at HEX level then load into a blank PIC its OK!! I have a lot to learn.=0A= =0AI have a "store" of stolen routines that will run so I am trying to modi= fy them to my applications. Several have worked OK but its too much to ask = to get a good one every time=A0I suppose. Like changing call signs and loca= tor in ROM=A0and altering the configuration of speed etc for a CW beacon. S= traight forward keyer no memory is another and Johan's SM6LKM stuff is very= good I have found. A lot of articles promise a lot but don't deliver, it w= ould be really nice if they always attached a text file of HEX because othe= rwise whats the point? Its easy enough to use character recognition to down= load HEX from the printed page ... it works for me. It just means you have= to be very diligent checking each line of text. A ruler and strong glasses= it works every time.=0A=0AI suppose I am at the stage where I just want to= build projects as advertised I don't=A0have the knowledge to write from sc= ratch=A0but have managed to modify some=A0programs.=0A=0AThis may seem a bi= t off topic but now we seem to be into automated Beaconing at each other on= MF/LF ......"if you can't beat 'em .......... " PIC is one way to go . Sav= es tying a up a PC.=0A=0AAny way its stopped raining, garden to work=A0 to = do and another lot of Bees to hive. This is not how I saw retirement.=0A=0A= Thanks for the info and encouragement.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Alan Melia =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 30 April 20= 12, 0:21=0ASubject: LF: Re: PIC Projects with no HEX code=0A =0AHi Peter m= y success is much higher than that BUT I have found some PICs wont=0Aprogra= m correctly on some programmers though the s/w indicates the ought to.=0AI = would say if you are not using a Microchip programmer and s/w this might=0A= be part of the cause.?? This is one I have run into.=0A=0AReasons for lack = of source inclusde, shyness and not wanting to be cricised=0Afor poor or na= ive programming. Producing commented source is quite a labour=0Aintensive j= ob. If an "outsider" is to understand exactly what you have done.=0AMany wh= o reuse chunks of code cant be bother with=0A the hassle=0A=0AThen I have s= een code "stolen" and used for profit making ventures, or 98%=0Acopied, wit= hout any reference to the originator. Does it matter.....well it=0Adoes to = some people. The code is the majority of the investement in a PIC=0Aproject= . Remember a assembly coders stock-in-trade is a large collection of=0Asmal= l routines which he used continually to achieve standard operations.=0ABeca= use these are used more than once they are usually well tested.=0A=0AI like= to see source because I can learn how to write it myself from other=0Apeop= les approaches. The most exasperating thing is if you suspect a bug (not=0A= just not working, but an exotic one)=A0 you have no way of. helping the=0Ao= riginator=0A=0AAlan=0AG3NYK=0A=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: "M0F= MT" =0ATo: =0ASent: Sunday= , April 29, 2012 11:33 PM=0ASubject: LF: PIC Projects with no HEX code=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0ASuccess rate is about 10% on projects with the HEX code attache= d.=0A=0AIf people don't want their projects duplicated then don't publish t= hem=0AFCS!!!=0A=0AIts pointless!=0A=0A=0AM0fmt exasperated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ---1613889061-1221840473-1335791883=:93357 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Hi Alan
 
Thanks for coming back it wa= s really a rhetorical outburst = at yet other project failure. But in a way its nice to know I am not entire= ly alone.
It looks as though you have been there before me. I am = relatively new to PIC programming and I don't know what I am doing. Try to = "Save" from my programmer does not work it saves the text file OK but not c= ompletely. So if loaded into a new  or blank PIC it won't run. Ho= wever if say down loaded from an operational PIC held in the prog= rammer S/W and modified at HEX level then load into a blank PIC its OK!! I have a= lot to learn.
&= nbsp;
I have a = "store" of stolen routines that will run so I am trying to modify=0A them t= o my applications. Several have worked OK but its too much to ask to get a = good one every time I suppose. Like changing call signs and locator in ROM and altering the conf= iguration of speed etc for a CW beacon. Straight forward keyer no memory is= another and Johan's SM6LKM stuff is very good I have found. A lot of artic= les promise a lot but don't deliver, it would be really nice if they always= attached a text file of HEX because otherwise whats the point? Its easy en= ough to use character recognition to down load HEX from the printed page ... it works for me. It just mean= s you have to be very diligent = checking each line of text. A ruler and strong glasses it works every time.=
 
I suppose I am at the stage where I just want to build projects as advertised I don't have = the knowledge to write from scratch but have managed to modify some&nb= sp;programs.
 
This may seem a bit off topic but n= ow we seem to be into automated Beaconing at each other on MF/LF ......"if = you can't beat 'em .......... " PIC is one way to go . Saves tying a up a P= C.
 
Any way its stopped raining, garden to work&n= bsp; to do and another lot of Bees to hive. This is not how I saw retiremen= t.
 
Thanks for the info and encouragement.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Ala= n Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 30 April 2012, 0:21
Subject: LF: Re: PIC Projects w= ith no HEX code

Hi Peter my success is much higher t= han that BUT I have found some PICs wont
program correctly on some progr= ammers though the s/w indicates the ought to.
I would say if you are not= using a Microchip programmer and s/w this might
be part of the cause.?? This is= one I have run into.

Reasons for lack of source inclusde, shyness a= nd not wanting to be cricised
for poor or naive programming. Producing c= ommented source is quite a labour
intensive job. If an "outsider" is to = understand exactly what you have done.
Many who reuse chunks of code can= t be bother with=0A the hassle

Then I have seen code "stolen" and us= ed for profit making ventures, or 98%
copied, without any reference to t= he originator. Does it matter.....well it
does to some people. The code = is the majority of the investement in a PIC
project. Remember a assembly= coders stock-in-trade is a large collection of
small routines which he = used continually to achieve standard operations.
Because these are used = more than once they are usually well tested.

I like to see source be= cause I can learn how to write it myself from other
peoples approaches. = The most exasperating thing is if you suspect a bug (not
just not workin= g, but an exotic one)  you have no way of. helping the
originator
Alan
G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: "M0FMT" &= lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <<= a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_b= lank" ymailto=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:33 PM
Subject: LF: PI= C Projects with no HEX code




Success rate is about 10% on= projects with the HEX code attached.

If people don't want their pro= jects duplicated then don't publish them
FCS!!!

Its pointless!

M0fmt exasperated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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