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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466021984:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d019.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad14f8179125f90 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Stephan, Gerhard, I have an approach that says " If its new to you its '= research' " Lots of usefull stuff has been learned by repeating old observa= tions in the light of new information and with newer equipment. If you read= the old LF propagation papers much is biassed towards the commercial use a= t that time. Few is any researchers would be interested in using "small" an= tennas etc. Few were interested in really long propagation paths after HF b= ecame common, and even then "more watts" was seen as the easy answer. They = were written mostly before satellite Space Weather data was available.=0A= =0AI am reminded of the comments made by some when we started on 73kHz...Th= at "We would not get a signal out of our 'back-garden' with 1 watt" :-)) = =0A=0AKeep it up=0AAlan=0AG3NYK=0A--- On Sun, 8/4/12, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:=0A=0A> From: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0A> Subject: Re: VLF: Local VLF tests= ...=0A> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0A> Date: Sunday, 8 April, 2012, 8= :20=0A> Hi Gerhard,=0A> =0A> Yes, of course. I just meant the "official" re= searchers who=0A> do that work as their job to earn money and (have to)=0A>= publish their work on conferences and in various papers. For=0A> them it i= s important to be "the first" one who describes a=0A> phenomen. We are in t= he situation to do what we want to do,=0A> just for fun and extremely relax= ed :-) If our work is "new"=0A> then it is fine and if it is "re-inventing = the wheel" then=0A> it is fine too :-)=0A> =0A> 73, Stefan/DK7FC=0A> =0A> A= m 07.04.2012 15:51, schrieb Gerhard Hickl:=0A> > Stefan !=0A> > =0A> > I th= ink WE ARE researchers in some way. Maybe not all=0A> of us do have the=0A>= > theoretical background which is "necessary" do to=0A> "real" research=0A= > > (whatever that means) but sometimes I think this could=0A> be an advant= age.=0A> > =0A> > 73=0A> > OE3GHB=0A> > Gerhard=0A> > =0A> >=A0 =A0 =0A> = =0A>