Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 35ADF380001B6; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SCvKk-0004pV-Ly for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:02:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SCvKk-0004pM-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:02:50 +0100 Received: from nm20.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.194]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SCvKi-0005tH-Ml for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:02:50 +0100 Received: from [217.146.183.183] by nm20.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2012 16:02:43 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.204] by tm14.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2012 16:02:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2012 16:02:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 57161.87819.bm@omp1002.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 43045 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2012 16:02:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1332950562; bh=0R5MCFFd3uzszzQNcNr70fE7pQu90PzqjVB+YpLtwXs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g5EXLHbv1gznKTL3JQkceuYLBrpbtE5JqIBOe6tFcSyXMWIXupVg6qieSOmmLaejb6W175o35IvFO9VjNX0g+jdvu6bT+V+Gh+hab+ZVbc1Ok9DPpb9YnzbR/tvhKIwgzfT6KFpxV5ohgfNgWLQ7MYJ7KoOhNm3rEXY2beSMnN4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JLeNq4Vc90GF9+tQzFJ/LIzuim8OCrjGtwiNgUF3GSov5wgTFVZTvJohE68us5kkmfQw2uXrGu4P1eZFoZQ+pAW5OJqFjgXkuWUqniZFgTpexRkVdYgYwmS75u0C0SvzV0egoLVj8eCspRwockIEDAt1auyxPXiDaGvDPpxhWfE=; X-YMail-OSG: Ka.1a3YVM1lICb8R0GfemPeGgFnCUJ3qSHzDhk8.1R4qc0Z 8weqjAPO1AXf.Ihuq4KeYpgbeVum1nR3dQREcaL2nRjKmqNS0RdtgMobs6qh Pbp_98KRDOujnYzAIHPd2FmJzKyimYv7IqNcyYUBT8UcexsxrpaJUhusNtKL _YptORuHKWhaeuhCICTFGcUPob21kGOJ5sHIQtDONLPW_0x45ZpnLiJl9tO9 y5qNAj1bwxoMcEVy2hsEGah3gYw4hoJEnrnfRtim_gjWd1hfTZ.yb6ZoKMPT jKOR_KDSFlJEeXkBgIc4TwHvgK6vWsGARaJ4GbBq3rxHINSLeDH5_hNEqCYP dHn_piEEPERN3sEChrG8Lulc.kJkDTozkJVdOaK9ZxE7l0XSMpQSvuGrMqzh fsHeflebNAVzZpZDOwBd2FwOwLIXWGYNOJs_CGb4acb.nI2.XkHB6HMg_F0d hNlVvDAdzH8tRrvUFQ4eG4p6nE.ksPk_0kkvLsOXZZiw4anVIFLBWvcB7PE1 ojRFAfh_EVU0XwqJdCFx7P.Wb1dh8tlfylobqkzoPd.Y8q3us2ZahLHfydQR qyN9ZM_10ezYbvf39euUM1v2EX_edmbwp2L5PUzBlxQr10WkkIPkvGkcL3cl lmgjnIHA2GFifvqOSsOBg5zE1wjw8BujcoTb0.R4vvfQqrk5HDuSgZlWz45_ M5tzl4Jej.TAGMm5bWofWNb8Vxk45mI4utS.2P74UTs0h Received: from [109.155.42.60] by web87401.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:02:42 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1332950562.3851.YahooMailClassic@web87401.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:02:42 +0100 (BST) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: E-field probe performance Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-47836184-856406856-1332950562=:3851" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:438451936:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d307.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410c4f733d535375 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---47836184-856406856-1332950562=:3851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roger I think this might be difficult..... as I understand the workings = of these they are very dependant on their mounting......i.e. the portion of= the wavefront they intercept. I suspect dfferent ground and different moun= ting heights between sites might lead to different sensitivities. Others ma= y be able to suggest a suitable "test" using a known station as a source at= a given time in daytime i.e within the groundwave range. We used to use th= e signal from DCF39 as a test on 136kHz, which is very reliable in the UK a= nd was measured by Dick Rollema PA0SE at=A0 number of locations. I think th= e Fs was about 1mV/m in the UK maybe slightly less. I seem to remember Dick= measured 2mV/m in the Netherlands.=20 Alan G3NYK --- On Wed, 28/3/12, Roger Lapthorn wrote: From: Roger Lapthorn Subject: LF: E-field probe performance To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, sub9khz@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 28 March, 2012, 13:43 Several of the VLF grabbers are now using Stefan DK7FC's E-field probe (Tel= Aviv, Ipswich, Iceland etc).=A0 I'm wondering if anyone has done a straigh= t comparison against the PA0RDT design and measured which is better in term= s of sensitivity and dynamic range? =0A 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 http://qss2.blogspot.com/ http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ =0Ahttp://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ =0A=0A ---47836184-856406856-1332950562=:3851 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Roger I think this might be difficult.....= as I understand the workings of these they are very dependant on their mou= nting......i.e. the portion of the wavefront they intercept. I suspect dffe= rent ground and different mounting heights between sites might lead to diff= erent sensitivities. Others may be able to suggest a suitable "test" using = a known station as a source at a given time in daytime i.e within the groun= dwave range. We used to use the signal from DCF39 as a test on 136kHz, whic= h is very reliable in the UK and was measured by Dick Rollema PA0SE at = ; number of locations. I think the Fs was about 1mV/m in the UK maybe sligh= tly less. I seem to remember Dick measured 2mV/m in the Netherlands.
Alan
G3NYK

--- On Wed, 28/3/12, Roger Lapthorn <rogerl= apthorn@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Ro= ger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
Subject: LF: E-field probe = performance
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, sub9khz@yahoogroups.comDate: Wednesday, 28 March, 2012, 13:43

Se= veral of the VLF grabbers are now using Stefan DK7FC's E-field probe (Tel A= viv, Ipswich, Iceland etc).  I'm wondering if anyone has done a straig= ht comparison against the PA0RDT design and measured which is better in ter= ms of sensitivity and dynamic range?
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73s
Roger G3XBM

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