Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E87B338000644; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 06:00:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1S5xWQ-0001rf-Fu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:58:06 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1S5xWP-0001rW-HU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:58:05 +0000 Received: from nm22-vm6.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.37]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1S5xWO-0008Pu-6o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:58:05 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.181] by nm22.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2012 10:57:58 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.206] by tm12.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2012 10:57:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2012 10:57:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 76327.75971.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 76312 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Mar 2012 10:57:57 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1331290677; bh=JSXy7Q3gggEtoci9K/HrKrnSBPDshDNzojnlvxfBF3Q=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nlloF0yjm97yl0aiOnIHfVqZsO/DYuvojqeyZFbg4Jv8MANnpl1aZ2qM90jMtmTahbPsvexTfkQC5aGaLhbfCnPT/dlCwOPuf3ojWfR0r7VZXRwLTLoqO5oNo2606VN5RvJ1yubhZUei9IXRUFrqCLu/qBFKSMbJfMy73GLbwQo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fZzir0o1om2fYx4JDD1+FYfZPvM9uCTpQbrLw3xqqf8obkGPRks8dIl9iQ/mbGvc5vNQOaYwnde7sQ133G3UXWBAjk2ilxWAAJf0f2FNhm+icHjDvBqrxQFo2UCdMBafLvmPKAGErXI6s7P5DY3U2EPBxoe4lWGgxOOCtoiGPmI=; X-YMail-OSG: pqOcRswVM1mAl4R8znAq3kmWp2K5RDepubiZcT7uhWj1pVY T4tA2VkUeSROW0XCi13anMS.OTBAmSkB4waSmV1GcUMQ8vVn4WyTTKcit4iw H7XI3a53_rJsEWaeGSsVMRbNaKiIiMnbGejvJR.btUS84EchKVas.WqmEwA2 e0666_gOM3c1kgQUdOSNlk5SwOTDo_S8.PZ5LrxuKBnYl.1V_I2vcj5peg4O QATdRGzr0IlpdmNan5HMy0zpYDWERp4DhPpM8mA.cotbBE2ktas6QQzg4QBK nGmscL6k9EKkekq8uMlIVEhKroSBRfqudN5EKLpZsCWIvjfeUZU.d5CQulW7 In8CC_FZavf8Ezanoagz1rYJzcnaQahkdtY5J2DQT6QG082e1Xknptnv6QxP 74PwqDVtKU9DtdU6MnAtI2HGynre6UkBJ__pNkYllstqg2tq_b6sGMywt385 VQQ8WHkYnEr3LCWPh9YRGWLY- Received: from [109.155.42.60] by web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:57:57 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 Message-ID: <1331290677.76245.YahooMailClassic@web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:57:57 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Big solar flare - major geomagnetic storms to follow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:396699680:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m003.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61884f59e2e54a2f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi all more geomag storming this morning. It looks as though I might have g= ot my timing wrong. However the 56 hours to the Kp=3D7 event is a bit slow = for such a big event, and the predicted speed of that CME.=0A=0AI suspect t= his mornings event may be what I refered to yesterday as a "sub-storm". Thi= s occurs when the plasma cloud sweeps past Earth and some is then trapped i= n a "magnetic bottle" in the tail of the magnetosphere. The magnetic field = becomes highly distorted and twisted by the extra hot charge. Just as in th= e Sun-spots this strain is relieved as the field snaps back into a lower en= ergy state. The excess energy which is released as the field collapses is t= ransfered to the plasma "glob". The result is that two parts of the plasma = are fired off at very high speed. one towads Earth and one away from Earth = (to conserve momentum....a basic law of physics). This mornings event was t= he shock of that plasma "bullet" arriving. I believe this mornings event ma= y have been of this nature.=0A=0AHow does it affect LF? The charge from the= "bullet" is injected into the ring current so tops up the charge reservoir= , and this lengthens the period of excess attenuation in the night-time D-l= ayer. There is some discrepancy between the Dst estimates. The Colorado est= imate is running at about -50nT whilst the Kyoto value is around -150nT. Ky= oto is based on a number of ground located magnetometer observations and is= prone to rather wild fluctuations, and often "overshoots". The Colorado pl= ot is based on a calculation using the solar wind parameters as observed by= the ACE satellite. From my experience I find the latter to be more useful/= meaningful in terms of LF effects.=0A=0AOverall I think this indicates a mi= ld effect. Long distance night-time paths will be affected for a week or so= . For a good indication of the progress of of the recovery, watch the Dst a= s it returns to around -20nT....the indication of quiet, good propagation c= onditions. Just before the conditions settle there can be some exceptionall= y good nights, probably caused by favourable fading/multipath. These are ve= ry location dependent and do not work for everyone.=0A=0AHowever keep watch= ing..... NOAA predict the possibility of more X-Class flares from the curre= nt spots, with the associated CMEs.=0A=0AGood LF DXing !!=0A=0AAlan=0AG3NYK= =0A=0A