Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E1ACF38000089; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:18:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1S5ekl-0005tw-J7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 14:55:39 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1S5ekl-0005tn-4p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 14:55:39 +0000 Received: from nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.248]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1S5ekj-00085C-As for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 14:55:39 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.211] by nm13.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2012 14:55:31 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.206] by tm4.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2012 14:55:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2012 14:55:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 881856.33946.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 26466 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Mar 2012 14:55:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1331218531; bh=MKjij+yLkV84LTn71ofLYdTVpTXmTeWU1dIwbeQaCXA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UgQqTIkKeGaCLqloy/mKZVxJ34FTcArxVNvBJOuZ7sHVaKOE4Hri7jCZggm+VZEOL2WIYWP25uP5zjiqlYhwvzK2A0YN8wchhsOxKGDzCvZD8HAuHN/rGqtqAy96oRZK3LAMNw4Bz6HPV89d0dCUiqup9fgKbf1xmqs9PFnHw9s= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WMA/LrOsUm69VjqRYw/Glb1n0hWXxYZCre+Wu16LywSK+VJQ3T5lAOiq9cjMQbova2RHAP8Is1zEfGuFdrG/JE9cEtWxplvArUIP0g3+kpIQE6b/OSoTxTjKM2XDdjoinaKflf0udMT5KHgscsk1N5v67MUPofF5nKZnmd96t7U=; X-YMail-OSG: 9nBInkcVM1lkrcX7aIgm2v5oRhXhKmv9VwOPsP7Z..XZyJA Xgwc- Received: from [109.155.42.60] by web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 14:55:31 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 Message-ID: <1331218531.26196.YahooMailClassic@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 14:55:31 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Big solar flare - major geomagnetic storms to follow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:428013408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m010.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584f58cddc6617 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Dave, yes you are right, it is not quite as simple as they would have yo= u believe :-)) Spaceweather.com always seems to over-hype events too....wel= l perhaps they are more interested in aurora than radio prop. =0A=0AThe rea= l measure of the severity as far as LF is concerned is the Dst index. Most = only give this in retrospect but Kyoto univ and Colorado univ do real-time = estimates.....the latter is the most useful and is derived y processing dat= a from ACE. If the Dst is pushed down to -300 to -400nT we have a big=A0 an= d prolonged event. you can follow the recovery by watching the Dst slowly r= ise over the following days.=0Ahttp://lasp.colorado.edu/space_weather/dstte= merin/dsttemerin.html =0A=0AA quick check shows a max depression to -140nT = on 7th and it is already back to -36nT...... so I confirm a minor event onl= y :-)) levels on 136 an 500 may be down a little but this may only be notic= able on very long paths where there are several passes through the ionosphe= re, each taking some extra attenuation from the precipitated hot electrons.= =0A=0AYou can tell I don't have to rely on Government funding for my resear= ch :-))=0A=0AThe end of the World is nigh!! but in around 9 billion years a= t my current estimates.....but then I could just be wrong :-))=0A=0AAlan=0A= G3NYK=0A=0A--- On Thu, 8/3/12, Dave Sergeant wrote:= =0A=0A> From: Dave Sergeant =0A> Subject: LF: Re: Bi= g solar flare - major geomagnetic storms to follow=0A> To: rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=0A> Date: Thursday, 8 March, 2012, 13:34=0A> Well it seems the= media over here are=0A> going into overdrive (maybe they =0A> have been wa= tching too many Horizon programs..).=0A> =0A> Impact arrived at 1105z, but = it was North facing. I see it=0A> has been =0A> downgraded to a G1 minor st= orm, though the K index has risen=0A> to 5. The =0A> HF bands are still qui= te lively, plenty of stuff on 12m. So=0A> I expect =0A> this one is really = going to be a damp squib...=0A> =0A> 73 Dave G3YMC=0A> =0A> On 8 Mar 2012 a= t 8:10, Warren Ziegler wrote:=0A> =0A> > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/= sunearth/news/News030712-X5-4.html=0A> > =0A> > http://spaceweather.com/=0A= > > =0A> > I imagine that it will take LF a while to recover from=0A> this!= =0A> > =0A> > Time to get on vhf and work aurora propagation!=0A> >=0A> htt= p://www.davesergeant.com=0A> =0A> =0A>=0A