Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 76CEF380000F3; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:06:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RqYNY-0000SO-Gc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:05:16 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RqYNX-0000SF-TB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:05:15 +0000 Received: from nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.90.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RqYNV-0004co-RU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:05:15 +0000 Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2012 23:05:05 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.195] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2012 23:05:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1053.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2012 23:05:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 615068.40758.bm@omp1053.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 84827 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jan 2012 23:05:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1327619105; bh=GZEACb7HIeRSpPya7yoEpd8ie8BiUySzxOdO8huYauQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=A8IdR2SK6vjSi9JCk/uzmWAv6Er6knjiVHyNN9TT/u+0hzxJN3BAlmKJYmRI9cjTQNJmNlVCL7uImhGsd3ZXXlAkk4KZMoxVi36o7e+T3+86EMWxmVP/nV369epNcKwHsHVQIyRKXwJeoydxu83Gpt1Byna1hmJ4Slfuh384OyA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oEnyfgAGFgAYp1RdCREK3HptsWOcxUKslpVkf/ihQFEXbd96amjUy8789O8xUwJ/2gbq8cj1HbzjqncmIpQzI/zJuuyrWfcpkMwP1FAjDcjkv1gs2FaWn0iGKBziDSPbnyid7SJ5setKbnClevgnxCHyFvV6ZxoXUDbsqKMq82s=; X-YMail-OSG: ZS4.4d8VM1mCW_aQBUq4_h01xlfiRTKCQ6AJ5ASMFf78kKm gMvEUWdIEE6D5TNDFhEKGeTNP5UgC0.wMQWV7zwMYZnO.XARIuz7Oi6hZWdm A3p4SC5eVeg3VchbA2EuYPmDKDMfigvoolNPGq.o7F99ymnadvvsQ_xOdey4 .Y0T6hp0JaYkPNYhiIN3lKH0R3Gp4VaK2t4A9fZiBwRpbjtqTuI7XCbSuDc1 ibnnKwcMQ06oeaZOGMNoqwtrdIOL_r37FcUqe19wkS1ygSRHnImTPjNh_WjL ttuCooASsDEjLcHZM2JIz8GfH.6O8JG9NBWYopL7CVaWw_B3ipboPTpZWKfd pBn2STPENV9DfbHm7GlRVGnP6K9lMfQZi6VqnXp7Txt4ib13DeIQKVP0wwjK qHYVhAsFNhvaXupjRZf8.fbczCcpwOZ54o1NWr_Rd3LR6XVFpwIKzN7MJsAE DCpVHFzQh0fdnIUHcOxYKWTtwz.fcz2std5o_2Ph0.ifLI1lIBurqDt5m.YX fNv0foM2DzP7WYKkVd4tjXBdLHHFWEW95V4x0FLCTLYKo3tSgYTDw6aDjodh h_7NXpgt2LXCsqigS52.IsUuIgKJC5tBUhxaq.y_5vDccxNP53GpWy8ahnCR wphDwgrklT3LCW9sNvRvlQs1I610hTkfqF.dVet6hqMMYEi9VN_p1h2LqVyO FBBbVwj2qq.ymp_1eAXsuTFVk Received: from [97.89.32.232] by web125906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:05:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: <3992CC59F7A14AA694628529761EC5DE@AGB> <4F1F695F.7020400@charter.net> <28E5D61E1299414C8AD335047F7EE837@White> Message-ID: <1327619105.80175.YahooMailNeo@web125906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:05:05 -0800 (PST) From: Andy - KU4XR To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <28E5D61E1299414C8AD335047F7EE837@White> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TINY_FONT=1.425 Subject: Re: WOLF: 135975 Hz, 10 b/s Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="452707994-576903080-1327619105=:80175" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461202880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d016.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1494f21dc5e24a5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --452707994-576903080-1327619105=:80175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My first chance to use WOLF for a possible TA reception, and on LF too....R= eceiving now !!! =0A=0A=0AAndy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA=0AC= oordinates: N: 35=BA 43' 54" - W: 84=BA 3' 16"=0Ahttp://lwca.org/grabbers/k= u4xr/=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/beaconxr=0Ahttp://ku4xr.webs.com=0Ahttp://lw= ca.org/community/YaBB.pl=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: M= arkus Vester =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0AS= ent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:39 PM=0ASubject: WOLF: 135975 Hz, 10 b/s= =0A=0A=0AWOLF ... good idea! =0A=A0=0AMy TX antenna=A0has been pushed up=A0= again tonight, and I intend to=A0howl for a couple of hours, starting=A023:= 00=A0UT=A0at 10 b/s speed.=A0=0A=A0=0AAs CFH is still sitting smack in the = middle of the band, I'll move close to=A0the lower edge,=A0squeezing into a= =A0narrow=A0HGA-sidebands gap on=A0135975 Hz (that is unless you may have o= ther suggestions).=0A=A0=0ABest 73,=0AMarkus (DF6NM)=0A=A0=0A=0A=0AFrom: Jo= hn Andrews =0ASent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:30 AM=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org =0ASubject: Re: LF: WOLF DATA MODE S/N FIG ?=0AGraham,=0A= =0AThere is no single s/n figure or specified BW in which to measure it. = =0AWOLF works by building copy up over a period of time, and assuming good = =0Afrequency/phase stability, a half hour or more is practical.=0A=0AThe da= ta rate is fairly fast, 10 b/s, with a 960 bit message, so that a =0Acomple= te frame of data is sent in 96 seconds. You get three quick =0Areports in t= he first 96 seconds, and then decodes every 96 seconds =0Aafter. Each messa= ge is 15 characters, with no rules about callsign format.=0A=0ATests done s= ome years ago show it roughly equivalent to QRSS60 in terms =0Aof signal le= vel. It does give some clues as to whether a signal has been =0Alocked-in, = and has the possibility of partial copy, unlike some "all or =0Anothing" mo= des. Fifteen characters in a half-hour is of course much =0Afaster than QRS= S60 would permit. 2-way QSO's are fairly easy with some =0Aadvance agreemen= t on what to do with the 15 characters.=0A=0AThe downsides are the need for= a linear transmitter system (as this is =0APSK), receiver/transmitter stab= ility and frequency accuracy. It works at =0A600 meters, but is fairly usel= ess at 160 meters and up.=0A=0AThe newest version is by DL4YHF, and may be = found at:=0Ahttp://www.qsl.net/d/dl4yhf//wolf/ .=0A=0ANote that this versio= n has 5 b/s and 20 b/s variations. Testing has =0Ashown that the program te= nds to provide copy in the same amount of time, =0Aso there's no overriding= advantage to either.=0A=0AJohn, W1TAG=0A=0AOn 1/24/2012 7:27 PM, Graham wr= ote:=0A> WOLF DATA MODE S/N FIG ?=0A> Long time since I used wolf , anyone = have the=0A> expected decode min s/n level ?=0A> and now what s/n was ref t= o , as changes=0A> may of taken place over time=0A> Tnx -G.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>= No virus found in this incoming message.=0A> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com= =0A> Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4162 - Release Date: 01/23/= 12 19:34:00=0A> --452707994-576903080-1327619105=:80175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My first chance to use WOLF for a possibl= e TA reception, and on LF too....Receiving now !!! =
 
Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
Coordinates: N: 35=BA= 43' 54" - W: 84=BA 3' 16"
http://lwca.org/grabbers/ku4xr/
http://www= .myspace.com/beaconxr
http://ku4xr.webs.com
http://lwca.org/community= /YaBB.pl

From:= Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5= :39 PM
Subject: WOLF: 13= 5975 Hz, 10 b/s

WOLF ... good idea!
 
My TX antenna has been pushed up = ;again tonight, and I intend to howl for a couple of hours, starting&n= bsp;23:00 UT at 10 b/s speed. 
 
As CFH is still sitting smack in the middl= e of the band, I'll move close to the lower edge, squeezing into = a narrow HGA-sidebands gap on 135975 Hz (that is unless yo= u may have other suggestions).
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: LF: WOLF DATA MODE S/N FIG ?

Graham,

There is no single s/n figure or specified BW= in which to measure it.
WOLF works by building copy up over a period o= f time, and assuming good
frequency/phase stability, a half hour or mor= e is practical.

The data rate is fairly fast, 10 b/s, with a 960 bit= message, so that a
complete frame of data is sent in 96 seconds. You g= et three quick
reports in the first 96 seconds, and then decodes every = 96 seconds
after. Each message is 15 characters, with no rules about ca= llsign format.

Tests done some years ago show it roughly equivalent = to QRSS60 in terms
of signal level. It does give some clues as to wheth= er a signal has been
locked-in, and has the possibility of partial copy= , unlike some "all or
nothing" modes. Fifteen characters in a half-hour= is of course much
faster than QRSS60 would permit. 2-way QSO's are fai= rly easy with some
advance agreement on what to do with the 15 characters.

The downsides are the need for a linear transmitter sys= tem (as this is
PSK), receiver/transmitter stability and frequency accu= racy. It works at
600 meters, but is fairly useless at 160 meters and u= p.

The newest version is by DL4YHF, and may be found at:
http://w= ww.qsl.net/d/dl4yhf//wolf/ .

Note that this version has 5 b/s and 20= b/s variations. Testing has
shown that the program tends to provide co= py in the same amount of time,
so there's no overriding advantage to ei= ther.

John, W1TAG

On 1/24/2012 7:27 PM, Graham wrote:
>= WOLF DATA MODE S/N FIG ?
> Long time since I used wolf , anyone have= the
> expected decode min s/n level ?
> and now what s/n was r= ef to , as changes
> may of taken place over time
> Tnx -G.
= >
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
&g= t; Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database:= 271.1.1/4162 - Release Date: 01/23/12 19:34:00
>



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