Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 368FA3800008D; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RNvLJ-0007oT-El for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 23:44:37 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RNvLI-0007oK-Rh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 23:44:36 +0000 Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RNvLI-0003Fa-O1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 23:44:36 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.212] by nm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2011 23:44:30 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.166] by tm5.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2011 23:44:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2011 23:44:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 895369.90357.bm@omp1007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 70359 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Nov 2011 23:44:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1320795870; bh=P2XYL77E+PFIPKPTiWaLAmZ0PpsFKF/0XwKPGsaFV5I=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hf4ui6K28FgKsNrblK0kaDr5KQ6GC7zW34m7ohTdrl+LWgGo1b9b04YKL9rhi9Rp7G+YXrKMpnO6NZ1GNRvUHkjv5Fok0W6jw7Eotc3zmp0WuHWHUUs7Ya7d8gE0UzxZNDrXmwrTThVaDLgB2RJiNVck9SXaiQk/trhBWcU+ce8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wIjqN3N/J+ab1im8IV86RnfUUXHaYM0KjCdSZnrrBvtsiB5Pd6+uzAnbHttd7KnJemCfakvENcoIEdwntOjfCPOSb8SoO2/Ofq0zHe0aOSBsIekVzNrPwyQQZXAH818O0tZsEDpA6qVTJNKa3wC733KAG6zKCexqeFa2eEzZZh8=; X-YMail-OSG: GRzHTHwVM1kSPW.hV3Hm7wLINXjc4P.1IeEeIcLKIbchJfJ ufvm6YYOB9Tm0Y26fdq7jLRHD0AdEuBo3zvFAOAUk2AsIyZXiZF16QpCVwz0 oviJicT7FKLXjM23jEzwHOAOSMB_NoxJBKEdJj94bdzxaEkYroHA6HfqR2Vk qy986zW.7iIKyXwxidE6lYsDP9RShogCDeejYvG__hWpoP8orzWJKCvdzfL1 WcnILGnwrk.Euo3rHZYlK.RUavdf6XhD5NsUxFc_MkNCKJ7PQ2GrWs7QFv_w 9w0nY3L3q.5l0Iug65_gU63lfxRUWmT6oXtXVxEJnoqvuJnjiZyF.oNQnSbW BQ3YxNRFOUZC3R4BgR8YTqwU5LR5LrISFfxBfoStPyvlOecp1aAEnDW0L7GC rvt3gBJ6clGb8wedjqmSDpy7a9aFIVAMaw.nSLMcntDvO7ju7mfvcdoIqcoM 887BBZMi2SERm8OtkfIanlLPjoyk5dOr2rwIjoRoHWRKX8Kr6L7cSSZzDYV2 QhdAAKHPfdSM- Received: from [86.152.86.83] by web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 23:44:30 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: <009e01cc9e68$ed127920$4001a8c0@lark> Message-ID: <1320795870.67186.YahooMailNeo@web28102.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 23:44:30 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <009e01cc9e68$ed127920$4001a8c0@lark> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Radio 4 Long Wave to close.... (soon?) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1344446831-577834674-1320795870=:67186" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:429233824:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m251.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60184eb9bf1d3e00 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1344446831-577834674-1320795870=:67186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=0A=0A=0AThe ttrouble is the BBC and Mark Thompson are obsolete.=0A= =A0=0A"Analogue" BBC=A0FM barely reaches my QTH 30miles North of London and= is un usable owing to Aircraft flutter from Luton Airport. =0A=A0=0AIn the= UK if you have to travel about by car as part of ones job=A0198kcs can be = RXed over=A0all of our land mass without having to retune your radio. And w= hile working in the Saarland and Cologne=A0areas (2003-2007)=A0on a monthly= basis it was nice to stay in touch with the UK. There are a lot of expat B= rits there I guess they will be please.... not.=0A=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT= IO91UX47VN=0A=0AFrom: Alan Melia =0ATo: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org=0ASent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011, 22:35=0ASubject: Re= : LF: Radio 4 Long Wave to close.... (soon?)=0A=0AHi Warren and Laurence I = wonder how they will deal with the contract they=0Ahave with NPL to transmi= t a dirtibution of a standard frequency and time and=0Autility data! This h= as 5 years to run I think. The transmitter no longer=0Abelongs to=A0 the BB= C anyway! It is run by Crown-Castle Comms (last time I had=0Acontact) and p= robbly owned by them now. Unlike Orfordness it is probably a=0Adesirable de= velopment site for domestic housing....if there was any market !=0A=0AI mig= ht email my contact at NPL and see what he says.=0AAlan=0AG3NYK=0A=0A=0A---= -- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: "Warren Ziegler" =0ATo= : =0ACc: =0AS= ent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:44 PM=0ASubject: Re: LF: Radio 4 Long Wav= e to close.... (soon?)=0A=0A=0ALaurence,=0A=A0 =A0 Its a pity that Droitwic= h is closing down.=0A=0AThe accompanying article is filled with factual mis= statements, I don't=0Aknow whether that is due to ignorance or a desire to = mislead:=0A" 500 kilowatts of power, far more - according to the BBC - than= other=0Along wave transmitters, which makes the kit both unique and expens= ive.=0A"=0A=A0 Actually this is less than other longwave transmitters such = as=0AEurope 1!=A0 And it is not unique!=0A=0A"Whenever the valves fail a da= ngerous "arc of power" surges through=0Athe 700ft Droitwich transmission ma= sts."=0A???? What does that mean?=0A=0A"Building a new long-wave transmitte= r for Radio 4 would cost "many=0Amillions of pounds"=0AMany millions ? I do= ubt that they sought a quote!=0A=0AEven the Director of Radio 4 seems to ha= ve been appointed with the=0Aintention of shutting it down as opposed to ru= nning it as an ongoing=0Aoperation.=0A=0A73 Warren K2ORS=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, No= v 8, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Laurence KL7UK=0A wro= te:=0A> http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/oct/09/bbc-radio4-long-wave-go= odbye=0A>=0A> Apologies if this is old news - but it takes time for the mes= senger=0Apidgeons=0A> to reach Okie=0A>=0A>=0A> Laurence KL7UK remote 5=0A>= =0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0A73 Warren K2ORS=0AWD2XGJ=0AWD2XSH/23=0AWE2XEB/2=0AWE2XGR/= 1 --1344446831-577834674-1320795870=:67186 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All
<= /SPAN>
 
The ttrouble is the BBC and Mark Thompson are ob= solete.
 
"Analogue" BBC FM barely reaches my QTH 30m= iles North of London and is un usable owing to Aircraft flutter from Luton = Airport.
 
In the UK if you have to travel about by car as = part of ones job 198kcs can be RXed over all of our land mass without having to retune your radio. And while w= orking in the Saarland and Cologne areas (2003-2007) on a monthly= basis it was nice to stay in touch with the UK. There are a lot of expat B= rits there I guess they will be please.... not.


73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX47VN
From:= Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011, = 22:35
Subject: Re: LF: R= adio 4 Long Wave to close.... (soon?)

Hi Warren and Laurence = I wonder how they will deal with the contract they
have with NPL to tran= smit a dirtibution of a standard frequency and time and
utility data! Th= is has 5 years to run I think. The transmitter no longer
belongs to = ; the BBC anyway! It is run by Crown-Castle Comms (last time I had
contact) and p= robbly owned by them now. Unlike Orfordness it is probably a
desirable d= evelopment site for domestic housing....if there was any market !

I = might email my contact at NPL and see what he says.
Alan
G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren Ziegler" <wd2xgj@gmail.= com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Cc: <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Radi= o 4 Long Wave to close.... (soon?)


Laurence,
    It= s a pity that Droitwich is closing down.

The accompanying article is filled with factual misstatements, I don't
know whether that is due to = ignorance or a desire to mislead:
" 500 kilowatts of power, far more - a= ccording to the BBC - than other
long wave transmitters, which makes the= kit both unique and expensive.
"
  Actually this is less than o= ther longwave transmitters such as
Europe 1!  And it is not unique!=

"Whenever the valves fail a dangerous "arc of power" surges through=
the 700ft Droitwich transmission masts."
???? What does that mean?
"Building a new long-wave transmitter for Radio 4 would cost "manymillions of pounds"
Many millions ? I doubt that they sought a quote!
Even the Director of Radio 4 seems to have been appointed with theintention of shutting it down as opposed to running it as an ongoing
op= eration.

73 Warren K2ORS


On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:09 PM, = Laurence KL7UK
<hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com> wrote:
>= ; http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/oct/09/bbc= -radio4-long-wave-goodbye
>
> Apologies if this is old news= - but it takes time for the messenger
pidgeons
> to reach Okie>
>
> Laurence KL7UK remote 5
>



-- 73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ
WD2XSH/23
WE2XEB/2
WE2XGR/1


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