Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4EDB7380000E9; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RLk2u-0007Pi-Ou for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:16:36 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RLk2u-0007PZ-3A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:16:36 +0000 Received: from nm16.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RLk2u-0004n7-1N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:16:36 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.217] by nm16.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2011 23:16:30 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.163] by tm10.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2011 23:16:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2011 23:16:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 512066.32663.bm@omp1004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 85180 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Nov 2011 23:16:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1320275790; bh=6Btb+es1pf4/m3l/f5yt3UVhPBwREV1nLFyjv2VQK+4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=e4oXvobUy4iTONccU7P/h++0P+jgmieLnnwPj8YzNQdhFetJG4+4uCCVf2BlXFt86QTBInihqyjJquzNNKU+qvU0m2OX00bCQ0U79TDIlNnE4XXoszpv+qTiQ6qGXtpxHhgeAE/yHg1Oo7ZdeG5jt4ga5APzaHsg8QnKVOTl2qk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2+FJJPk/K+6tVcJOU9YvtbCfVMHDy/Zd5yYnk9P2FAhffM13VuobKTMJrllujuaE8FLhSUBSGkQMqlIAKGasam+t+9Byx8HagWxCeQtsC2bsb5+bR1CENAxgxS3/jxZosCxlhQ3lPn9DGcanm3DC2WUhhDi2KtjlVgqH4a+DqV8=; X-YMail-OSG: O2uSRpkVM1kwcoKxt36yT71uhMi7EIzzUUR5I.TZ3.wZoNA z_C7.j5ajiFarbro5fKqHCOIXTIFqh9jDmV4MiGBQI1r9kJOm.GGM9p0VLw9 hE_aQXSfut2V5.vi8QrNQp19xOT8I66QqG.J5M_LkjOZVtZ91xasAZYOurRC pqFVIxfIsSmOP4kyILwpGfstK1QoRNTBZ.ILjYn.8p2n3fr_mPHP9YRGNJ0f 94oYfyULeOp_VI2Zo7nLwygAlysUwoz60MHonQQjGDAry6EtfhbX5wYLsm45 khT6xfoh6ctgHPI3nhHaSuAt4T4d3gBdorkRdXkCDwxLuDzOy950rx8N4oJL qG7gs6KFw7FMRtJBFdoa7BSa52Zy9.ElK2hQ.q39Uznf99NgDowZ_qeRNnpS B4srN Received: from [86.139.201.20] by web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:16:29 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: ,,, <052BA55206094BF087148BC8E0C97027@JimPC> Message-ID: <1320275789.81298.YahooMailNeo@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 23:16:29 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <052BA55206094BF087148BC8E0C97027@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Re: 8kHz of spectrum Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1471772417-1137655794-1320275789=:81298" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=AMATEUR_PORN,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:469659168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m267.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60194eb1cfc86e9e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1471772417-1137655794-1320275789=:81298 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all=0A=0AIn my humble opinion high power only goes with wide band width = because ground wave on these medium frequencies travels. So I welcome the l= ower power suggestion (assuming anybody sticks to it) with the narrow band = width proposal. And don't jump on me about front end selectivity=A0 because= I think it is insurmountable even by "Real" Amateurs.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M= 0FMT IO91UX47VN=0A=0AFrom: James Moritz =0ATo= : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0ASent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011, 22:58=0A= Subject: LF: Re: 8kHz of spectrum=0A=0ADear LF Group,=0A=0AWell, I think th= is is a positive development - the only minor disappointment is the reducti= on in maximum ERP to about 3W.=0A=0AAs for the choice of frequency, the mar= itime people have a plan for a sort of=A0 "super Navtex" using OFDM modulat= ion with a bandwidth of 10kHz centred on 500kHz. It may be that this is jus= t a pipe dream, and/or a way to justify continued primary user status at 50= 0kHz. But if it ever does come into existence, it will certainly be using v= astly higher powers than amateur stations, and the noise sidebands will ext= end well beyond the actual signal bandwidth due to "spectral re-growth" in = the TX PA. So it will be good to have a significant difference in frequency= between ourselves and the noisy things. I expect all those REAL amateurs w= ill manage to reduce their TX frequency by 5 percent somehow ;-)=0A=0ACheer= s, Jim Moritz=0A73 de M0BMU --1471772417-1137655794-1320275789=:81298 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi al= l

In my humble opinion high power only goes with wide band width bec= ause ground wave on these medium frequencies travels. So I welcome the lowe= r power suggestion (assuming anybody sticks to it) with the narrow band wid= th proposal. And don't jump on me about front end selectivity  because= I think it is insurmountable even by "Real" Amateurs.

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX47VN

From: James Moritz &= lt;james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
= Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011, 22:58
Subject: LF: Re: 8kHz of spectru= m

Dear LF Group,

Well, I think this is a positive development= - the only minor disappointment is the reduction in maximum ERP to about 3= W.

As for the choice of frequency, the maritime people have a plan for a sort of  "super Navtex" using OFDM modulation with a bandwidth = of 10kHz centred on 500kHz. It may be that this is just a pipe dream, and/o= r a way to justify continued primary user status at 500kHz. But if it ever = does come into existence, it will certainly be using vastly higher powers t= han amateur stations, and the noise sidebands will extend well beyond the a= ctual signal bandwidth due to "spectral re-growth" in the TX PA. So it will= be good to have a significant difference in frequency between ourselves an= d the noisy things. I expect all those REAL amateurs will manage to reduce = their TX frequency by 5 percent somehow ;-)

Ch= eers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
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