Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3644 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2001 21:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Oct 2001 21:50:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22299 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2001 21:47:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 16 Oct 2001 21:47:55 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15tbzM-00017g-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:43:04 +0100 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15tbzI-00017b-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:43:01 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id l.132.321ded3 (3892) for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:41:48 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <132.321ded3.28fe039c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:41:48 EDT Subject: LF: DBF39 Frequency To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020106020006070600080600" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020106020006070600080600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Uwe, Geri, Larry and all, a while ago, I had posted some observations on the frequency stability of DBF39 (or DCF?) on 138.83 kHz (pasted below). Maybe I should try to explain a little more. > what are the exact (0.001Hz) qrgs of mark and space (in the mark)? There is no extra narrowband modulation. The widening of the mark spectral line is simply caused by the normal FSK bursts (200 bd, 340 Hz shift) which are sent at irregular intervals, at least once in every 12 seconds. As the frequency shift is no integer multiple of the baud rate, each "space" bit accumulates a phase shift of 340/200 * 360deg = -108deg . After a telegram with an arbitrary number of "1" bits, the carrier does not return to its old phase. In a fast spectrogram, you can see the telegrams separated in time, the typical blooms Larry mentioned. But in a high-resolution FFT like Uwe's waterfall, they merge into a noise-band about 1/12 Hz wide, without any coherent central line. The appended little image also shows this DBF "band", compared to several atomic-clock driven LF carriers. During an hour of recording, I left Argo (120s dots slow) running while switching the synthesized local oscillator. The small downwards steps are an audio deviation proportional to carrier freq (about 10 mHz max), caused by my 10 MHz OCXO reference being 0.05 ppm low. Both broadcast carriers are accompanied by distant, less accurate stations. Larry brought up an interesting point: > Just a short note, I am receiving DCF39 most every day, ... > My bucket size is less than 1.22 milliHz and I can see the day/night > frequency change on DCF39 as well, variation is very small but it is visible > most days. Could that be ionospheric doppler shift? How large is the effect? 73 de Markus, DF6NM ______________________________________________________________ I wrote on Feb. 12: There are two reasons why DBF39 may be of limited use for very precise frequency calibration: - Due to the phase-continuous FSK, the phase has shifted arbitrarily after each data burst. On Argo with 21mHz or finer resolution you will not see a narrow line but rather an irregular strip several ten mHz wide. - Even in the intervals between the telegrams, the freq appears to be slightly higher than nominal. Using a scope to directly measure the rate of phase advance relative to an OCXO reference derived from terrestrial TV "ZDF", I got 138830.030 Hz for DBF39 and 128930.014 Hz for DCF49, but these offsets may even be variable. On the other hand, 122.5 (DCF42 pilot), 153.0 (DLF radio) and of course 77.5 kHz (DCF77) seem to be very accurate. 73 and good luck Markus --------------020106020006070600080600 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="DBF39.JPG" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="DBF39.JPG" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEBLAEsAAD/2wBDAAoHBwgHBgoICAgLCgoLDhgQDg0NDh0VFhEYIx8l JCIfIiEmKzcvJik0KSEiMEExNDk7Pj4+JS5ESUM8SDc9Pjv/2wBDAQoLCw4NDhwQEBw7KCIo Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozs7Ozv/wAAR CABAAMgDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAA AgEDAwIEAwUFBAQAAAF9AQIDAAQRBRIhMUEGE1FhByJxFDKBkaEII0KxwRVS0fAkM2JyggkK FhcYGRolJicoKSo0NTY3ODk6Q0RFRkdISUpTVFVWV1hZWmNkZWZnaGlqc3R1dnd4eXqDhIWG h4iJipKTlJWWl5iZmqKjpKWmp6ipqrKztLW2t7i5usLDxMXGx8jJytLT1NXW19jZ2uHi4+Tl 5ufo6erx8vP09fb3+Pn6/8QAHwEAAwEBAQEBAQEBAQAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtREA AgECBAQDBAcFBAQAAQJ3AAECAxEEBSExBhJBUQdhcRMiMoEIFEKRobHBCSMzUvAVYnLRChYk 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