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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1588024237-1313064500=:49233" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454075456:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m023.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40594e43c67c422c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0-1588024237-1313064500=:49233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roelof,=0A=A0=0Ain fact a comparison, between a=A0battery-powered Min= i-Whip with optical feedline and another with "conventional" installation, = would probably clarify the subject. One could measure what the coax effects= are on antenna performances.=0A=A0=0ARegards=0AD.=0A=A0=0A=0AFrom: Roelof = Bakker =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0ASent: Thu= rsday, August 11, 2011 12:26 PM=0ASubject: Re: LF: Re: HB9ASB...=0A=0AHello= Andy,=0A=0AThe antenna will work with an optical feedline.=0AI can't imagi= ne that fiber optic forms the other half of the dipole.=0A=0AThe probe capa= citance is rather low, about 3 pF.=0AMy guess is that the "counterpoise" is= formed by the PCB part, carrying the buffer amplifier.=0A=0AThe layout of = the PCB art work has some effect on the received signal strength.=0AUsing l= eaded components, the pick up area measures 30 x 40 mm.=0AA PCB with SMD pa= rts will give the same output with an "antenna" measuring 24 x 30 mm.=0A=0A= 73,=0ARoelof, pa0rdt --0-1588024237-1313064500=:49233 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Roelof,
 
in fact a comparison= , between a battery-powered Mini-Whip with optical feedline and anothe= r with "conventional" installation, would probably clarify the subject. One= could measure what the coax effects are on antenna performances.
 
Regards
D.
 

From:= Roelof Bakker <roelof@ndb.demon.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:2= 6 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re= : HB9ASB...

Hello Andy,

The antenna will work with an = optical feedline.
I can't imagine that fiber optic forms the other half = of the dipole.

The probe capacitance is rather low, about 3 pF.
M= y guess is that the "counterpoise" is formed by the PCB part, carrying the = buffer amplifier.

The layout of the PCB art work has some effect on the re= ceived signal strength.
Using leaded components, the pick up area measur= es 30 x 40 mm.
A PCB with SMD parts will give the same output with an "a= ntenna" measuring 24 x 30 mm.

73,
Roelof, pa0rdt



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