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boundary="0-1182136098-1312471191=:73777" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:507394112:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m022.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4e3ab91a66e6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0-1182136098-1312471191=:73777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=0AIn my view (I'm a bit OT, probably)=A0we are now discussing about=A0d= ignity and - in the end -=A0about freedom.=0A73=0AD.=0A=A0=0A=0AFrom: g4gvw= =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0ASent: Thursday, Augus= t 4, 2011 4:48 PM=0ASubject: Re: LF: QSY=0A=0AHi Roger,=0A=0AAlan G3NYK and= myself often debate this (being 'ole fogeys').=0A=0APersonally I would ali= gn this with the failure of our education system=0Ato engage students in th= e sciences and mathematics in our schools.=0A=0AWhen I was at school you co= uld go along to any of our science masters=0Aand get involved in a discussi= on about crystal sets, aerials etc. even=0Athough I cannot remember any one= of them being licensed. We had a school=0Aradio club that was effectively = run by ourselves with the encouragement=0Aof the school. A lab tech taught = me to solder. He didn't have any=0Ainterest in electronics or radio but he = could sure use a "bolt" and a=0Abunsen burner!=0A=0AAlso, in those days, ki= ds (especially boys) had HOBBIES not HOODIES! We=0Abuilt model aircraft, bo= ats, carts, radios. We could even attach a bike=0Adynamo to a Mamod steam e= ngine! You could learn about tearing the wings=0Aoff a Keil-Kraft model gli= der by fitting a Jetex engine. You could=0Aalmost blow yourself up making r= ockets from cigar tubes and "flash"=0Apowder. There was even a magazine cal= led "Hobbies Magazine". The "EAGLE"=0Ahad a centre spread that never ever f= eatured a "boob" as far as I can=0Aremember but oh those cut-away drawings = of the "Flying Scotsman"!=0A=0AWe were excited by all that stuff. Now, toda= y, I see on the TV news that=0Avast numbers of the population are becoming = addicted to "Smartphones".=0AI remember a few years ago when describing a '= mobile phone' as a "radio=0Atransceiver that connects to a telephone networ= k" to some friends in the=0Apub, that eyes glazed over! "Technology" these = days tends to mean=0A"Meeedja studies" doesn't it?=0A=0AI agree that "sumpn= needs to be done" but what? I think we are fighting=0Aa change that is as = much cultural as technical.=0A=0ADiscuss. :>))=0A=0A73=A0 =0A=0A=0AOn Thu, = 2011-08-04 at 14:03 +0100, Roger Lapthorn wrote:=0A> Chris (et al)=0A> =0A>= In the last few years I've given talks at 5 different radio clubs in=0A> E= ast Anglia. Some were well attended and thriving, others small but in=0A> g= ood shape and one was clearly in trouble. A common thread throughout=0A> wa= s a distinct lack of younger members. =0A> =0A> Although this is not a subj= ect for further discussion on the=0A> LF-reflector it is something that sho= uld concern us all. We need to=0A> find more ways of making the hobby invit= ing to younger people without=0A> "dumbing it down". How?=A0 As a teenager = I was fascinated by short-wave,=0A> communicating by string, radio, light b= eams and earth currents. Today,=0A> the advances in technology make what we= do appear far from=0A> marvellous. =0A> =0A> Not sure of the answers but a= mateur radio in 2020 may be just a=0A> handful of pensioners talking about = how good it was in the old days.=0A> No doubt Mal will be one of them. =0A>= =0A> Did I also note in the RSGB's survey that LF was an interest mainly o= f=0A> the older members?=0A> =0A> 73s=0A> Roger G3XBM=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> = =0A> On 4 August 2011 09:48, Chris wrote:=0A>= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Hi Mal and LF,=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Mal says: =0A>=A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 "If one is plagued with environmental noise and poor signal=0A>=A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 quality on LF/MF then maybe this is not the band for You."=0A>=A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 You might be right, but it's fun trying! I have very much=0A>= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 enjoyed the last couple of years on 136/7 despite the=0A>= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 difficulties.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Well, I'm not sure the QSY= is a solution either. When I rotate=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 my 2m beam and watc= h the noise level on the s-meter, the noise=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 goes up by a= bout 18db as the beam points down the=A0 line of the=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 hou= ses in my street. Not surprising I have trouble on LF.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 A= ll you can do is the best with the circumstances you're=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = presented with.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Lack of activity is as much due to us (r= adio amateurs) in=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 general getting older and dropping out= of the hobby, with few=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 youngsters following on, as anyt= hing else.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Thanks to those who commented about SNR, I ag= ree with others=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 observations.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Vy 73,= =0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> -- = =0A> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/=0A> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk=0A> http://w= ww.youtube.com/user/g3xbm=0A> https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/=0A> = =0A=0A-- =0A73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw=0Aqth nr felixstowe uk=0A(east coast, = county of suffolk) --0-1182136098-1312471191=:73777 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
In my view (I'm a bi= t OT, probably) we are now discussing about dignity and - in the = end - about freedom.
73
D.
 

From:= g4gvw <g4gvw@aol.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: LF: QSY

= Hi Roger,

Alan G3NYK and myself often debate this (being 'ole fogeys= ').

Personally I would align this with the failure of our education = system
to engage students in the sciences and mathematics in our schools= .

When I was at school you could go along to any of our science masters
and get involved in a discussion about crystal sets, aerials et= c. even
though I cannot remember any one of them being licensed. We had = a school
radio club that was effectively run by ourselves with the encou= ragement
of the school. A lab tech taught me to solder. He didn't have a= ny
interest in electronics or radio but he could sure use a "bolt" and a=
bunsen burner!

Also, in those days, kids (especially boys) had H= OBBIES not HOODIES! We
built model aircraft, boats, carts, radios. We co= uld even attach a bike
dynamo to a Mamod steam engine! You could learn a= bout tearing the wings
off a Keil-Kraft model glider by fitting a Jetex = engine. You could
almost blow yourself up making rockets from cigar tube= s and "flash"
powder. There was even a magazine called "Hobbies Magazine= ". The "EAGLE"
had a centre spread that never ever featured a "boob" as = far as I can
remember but oh those cut-away drawings of the "Flying Scotsman"!

We were excited by all that stuff. Now, today, I= see on the TV news that
vast numbers of the population are becoming add= icted to "Smartphones".
I remember a few years ago when describing a 'mo= bile phone' as a "radio
transceiver that connects to a telephone network= " to some friends in the
pub, that eyes glazed over! "Technology" these = days tends to mean
"Meeedja studies" doesn't it?

I agree that "su= mpn needs to be done" but what? I think we are fighting
a change that is= as much cultural as technical.

Discuss. :>))

73 

On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 14:03 +0100, Roger Lapthorn wrote:
> C= hris (et al)
>
> In the last few years I've given talks at 5 d= ifferent radio clubs in
> East Anglia. Some were well attended and th= riving, others small but in
> good shape and one was clearly in troub= le. A common thread throughout
> was a distinct lack of younger members.
>
> Although this is not a subject for furt= her discussion on the
> LF-reflector it is something that should conc= ern us all. We need to
> find more ways of making the hobby inviting = to younger people without
> "dumbing it down". How?  As a teenag= er I was fascinated by short-wave,
> communicating by string, radio, = light beams and earth currents. Today,
> the advances in technology m= ake what we do appear far from
> marvellous.
>
> Not su= re of the answers but amateur radio in 2020 may be just a
> handful o= f pensioners talking about how good it was in the old days.
> No doub= t Mal will be one of them.
>
> Did I also note in the RSGB's = survey that LF was an interest mainly of
> the older members?
>=
> 73s
> Roger G3XBM
>
>
>
>
&g= t; On 4 August 2011 09:48, Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com> wrote:
>    =     Hi Mal and LF,
>        Mal says: <= BR>>        "If one is plagued with environmental no= ise and poor signal
>        quality on LF/MF the= n maybe this is not the band for You."
>        Y= ou might be right, but it's fun trying! I have very much
>  &nbs= p;     enjoyed the last couple of years on 136/7 despite the
&= gt;        difficulties.
>      &n= bsp; Well, I'm not sure the QSY is a solution either. When I rotate
>=         my 2m beam and watch the noise level on the s-m= eter, the noise
>        goes up by about 18db as= the beam points down the  line of the
>        houses in my street. Not surprising I have trouble on LF.
>&n= bsp;       All you can do is the best with the circumstances= you're
>        presented with.
>  &n= bsp;     Lack of activity is as much due to us (radio amateurs) i= n
>        general getting older and dropping out= of the hobby, with few
>        youngsters follo= wing on, as anything else.
>        Thanks to tho= se who commented about SNR, I agree with others
>     =   observations.
>        Vy 73,
>&nbs= p;       Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent.
>
> >
> --
> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
> http://www.yout= ube.com/user/g3xbm
> https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
> <= BR>
--
73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw
qth nr felixstowe uk
(east coa= st, county of suffolk)




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