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boundary="0-1182136098-1312471191=:73777" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:507394112:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m022.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4e3ab91a66e6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0-1182136098-1312471191=:73777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=0AIn my view (I'm a bit OT, probably)=A0we are now discussing about=A0d= ignity and - in the end -=A0about freedom.=0A73=0AD.=0A=A0=0A=0AFrom: g4gvw= <g4gvw@aol.com>=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0ASent: Thursday, Augus= t 4, 2011 4:48 PM=0ASubject: Re: LF: QSY=0A=0AHi Roger,=0A=0AAlan G3NYK and= myself often debate this (being 'ole fogeys').=0A=0APersonally I would ali= gn this with the failure of our education system=0Ato engage students in th= e sciences and mathematics in our schools.=0A=0AWhen I was at school you co= uld go along to any of our science masters=0Aand get involved in a discussi= on about crystal sets, aerials etc. even=0Athough I cannot remember any one= of them being licensed. We had a school=0Aradio club that was effectively = run by ourselves with the encouragement=0Aof the school. A lab tech taught = me to solder. He didn't have any=0Ainterest in electronics or radio but he = could sure use a "bolt" and a=0Abunsen burner!=0A=0AAlso, in those days, ki= ds (especially boys) had HOBBIES not HOODIES! We=0Abuilt model aircraft, bo= ats, carts, radios. We could even attach a bike=0Adynamo to a Mamod steam e= ngine! You could learn about tearing the wings=0Aoff a Keil-Kraft model gli= der by fitting a Jetex engine. You could=0Aalmost blow yourself up making r= ockets from cigar tubes and "flash"=0Apowder. There was even a magazine cal= led "Hobbies Magazine". The "EAGLE"=0Ahad a centre spread that never ever f= eatured a "boob" as far as I can=0Aremember but oh those cut-away drawings = of the "Flying Scotsman"!=0A=0AWe were excited by all that stuff. Now, toda= y, I see on the TV news that=0Avast numbers of the population are becoming = addicted to "Smartphones".=0AI remember a few years ago when describing a '= mobile phone' as a "radio=0Atransceiver that connects to a telephone networ= k" to some friends in the=0Apub, that eyes glazed over! "Technology" these = days tends to mean=0A"Meeedja studies" doesn't it?=0A=0AI agree that "sumpn= needs to be done" but what? I think we are fighting=0Aa change that is as = much cultural as technical.=0A=0ADiscuss. :>))=0A=0A73=A0 =0A=0A=0AOn Thu, = 2011-08-04 at 14:03 +0100, Roger Lapthorn wrote:=0A> Chris (et al)=0A> =0A>= In the last few years I've given talks at 5 different radio clubs in=0A> E= ast Anglia. Some were well attended and thriving, others small but in=0A> g= ood shape and one was clearly in trouble. A common thread throughout=0A> wa= s a distinct lack of younger members. =0A> =0A> Although this is not a subj= ect for further discussion on the=0A> LF-reflector it is something that sho= uld concern us all. We need to=0A> find more ways of making the hobby invit= ing to younger people without=0A> "dumbing it down". How?=A0 As a teenager = I was fascinated by short-wave,=0A> communicating by string, radio, light b= eams and earth currents. Today,=0A> the advances in technology make what we= do appear far from=0A> marvellous. =0A> =0A> Not sure of the answers but a= mateur radio in 2020 may be just a=0A> handful of pensioners talking about = how good it was in the old days.=0A> No doubt Mal will be one of them. =0A>= =0A> Did I also note in the RSGB's survey that LF was an interest mainly o= f=0A> the older members?=0A> =0A> 73s=0A> Roger G3XBM=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> = =0A> On 4 August 2011 09:48, Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com> wrote:=0A>= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Hi Mal and LF,=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Mal says: =0A>=A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 "If one is plagued with environmental noise and poor signal=0A>=A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 quality on LF/MF then maybe this is not the band for You."=0A>=A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 You might be right, but it's fun trying! I have very much=0A>= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 enjoyed the last couple of years on 136/7 despite the=0A>= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 difficulties.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Well, I'm not sure the QSY= is a solution either. When I rotate=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 my 2m beam and watc= h the noise level on the s-meter, the noise=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 goes up by a= bout 18db as the beam points down the=A0 line of the=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 hou= ses in my street. Not surprising I have trouble on LF.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 A= ll you can do is the best with the circumstances you're=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = presented with.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Lack of activity is as much due to us (r= adio amateurs) in=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 general getting older and dropping out= of the hobby, with few=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 youngsters following on, as anyt= hing else.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Thanks to those who commented about SNR, I ag= ree with others=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 observations.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Vy 73,= =0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> -- = =0A> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/=0A> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk=0A> http://w= ww.youtube.com/user/g3xbm=0A> https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/=0A> = =0A=0A-- =0A73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw=0Aqth nr felixstowe uk=0A(east coast, = county of suffolk) --0-1182136098-1312471191=:73777 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ar= ial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style=3D"RIGHT: auto"><SPAN= style=3D"RIGHT: auto"></SPAN> </div> <div style=3D"RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style=3D"RIGHT: auto">In my view (I'm a bi= t OT, probably) we are now discussing about dignity and - in the = end - about freedom.</SPAN></div> <div style=3D"RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style=3D"RIGHT: auto">73</SPAN></div> <div style=3D"RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style=3D"RIGHT: auto">D.<VAR id=3Dyui-ie-c= ursor></VAR></SPAN></div> <div style=3D"RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style=3D"RIGHT: auto"></SPAN> </div> <div><BR></div> <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, time= s, serif"><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> <DIV class=3Dhr style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; = BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; PADDING-BOTT= OM: 0px; MARGIN: 5px 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; PADD= ING-TOP: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; HEIGHT: 0px" readonly=3D"true"= contenteditable=3D"false"></DIV><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:= </SPAN></B> g4gvw <g4gvw@aol.com><BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: b= old">To:</SPAN></B> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-= WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, August 4, 2011 4:48 PM<BR><B><SPAN= style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: LF: QSY<BR></FONT><BR>= Hi Roger,<BR><BR>Alan G3NYK and myself often debate this (being 'ole fogeys= ').<BR><BR>Personally I would align this with the failure of our education = system<BR>to engage students in the sciences and mathematics in our schools= .<BR><BR>When I was at school you could go along to any of our science masters<BR>and get involved in a discussion about crystal sets, aerials et= c. even<BR>though I cannot remember any one of them being licensed. We had = a school<BR>radio club that was effectively run by ourselves with the encou= ragement<BR>of the school. A lab tech taught me to solder. He didn't have a= ny<BR>interest in electronics or radio but he could sure use a "bolt" and a= <BR>bunsen burner!<BR><BR>Also, in those days, kids (especially boys) had H= OBBIES not HOODIES! We<BR>built model aircraft, boats, carts, radios. We co= uld even attach a bike<BR>dynamo to a Mamod steam engine! You could learn a= bout tearing the wings<BR>off a Keil-Kraft model glider by fitting a Jetex = engine. You could<BR>almost blow yourself up making rockets from cigar tube= s and "flash"<BR>powder. There was even a magazine called "Hobbies Magazine= ". The "EAGLE"<BR>had a centre spread that never ever featured a "boob" as = far as I can<BR>remember but oh those cut-away drawings of the "Flying Scotsman"!<BR><BR>We were excited by all that stuff. Now, today, I= see on the TV news that<BR>vast numbers of the population are becoming add= icted to "Smartphones".<BR>I remember a few years ago when describing a 'mo= bile phone' as a "radio<BR>transceiver that connects to a telephone network= " to some friends in the<BR>pub, that eyes glazed over! "Technology" these = days tends to mean<BR>"Meeedja studies" doesn't it?<BR><BR>I agree that "su= mpn needs to be done" but what? I think we are fighting<BR>a change that is= as much cultural as technical.<BR><BR>Discuss. :>))<BR><BR>73 <BR= ><BR><BR>On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 14:03 +0100, Roger Lapthorn wrote:<BR>> C= hris (et al)<BR>> <BR>> In the last few years I've given talks at 5 d= ifferent radio clubs in<BR>> East Anglia. Some were well attended and th= riving, others small but in<BR>> good shape and one was clearly in troub= le. A common thread throughout<BR>> was a distinct lack of younger members. <BR>> <BR>> Although this is not a subject for furt= her discussion on the<BR>> LF-reflector it is something that should conc= ern us all. We need to<BR>> find more ways of making the hobby inviting = to younger people without<BR>> "dumbing it down". How? As a teenag= er I was fascinated by short-wave,<BR>> communicating by string, radio, = light beams and earth currents. Today,<BR>> the advances in technology m= ake what we do appear far from<BR>> marvellous. <BR>> <BR>> Not su= re of the answers but amateur radio in 2020 may be just a<BR>> handful o= f pensioners talking about how good it was in the old days.<BR>> No doub= t Mal will be one of them. <BR>> <BR>> Did I also note in the RSGB's = survey that LF was an interest mainly of<BR>> the older members?<BR>>= <BR>> 73s<BR>> Roger G3XBM<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>&g= t; On 4 August 2011 09:48, Chris <<A href=3D"mailto:c.ashby435@btinternet.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:c.ashby435@bti= nternet.com">c.ashby435@btinternet.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> = Hi Mal and LF,<BR>> Mal says: <= BR>> "If one is plagued with environmental no= ise and poor signal<BR>> quality on LF/MF the= n maybe this is not the band for You."<BR>> Y= ou might be right, but it's fun trying! I have very much<BR>> &nbs= p; enjoyed the last couple of years on 136/7 despite the<BR>&= gt; difficulties.<BR>> &n= bsp; Well, I'm not sure the QSY is a solution either. When I rotate<BR>>= my 2m beam and watch the noise level on the s-m= eter, the noise<BR>> goes up by about 18db as= the beam points down the line of the<BR>> houses in my street. Not surprising I have trouble on LF.<BR>>&n= bsp; All you can do is the best with the circumstances= you're<BR>> presented with.<BR>> &n= bsp; Lack of activity is as much due to us (radio amateurs) i= n<BR>> general getting older and dropping out= of the hobby, with few<BR>> youngsters follo= wing on, as anything else.<BR>> Thanks to tho= se who commented about SNR, I agree with others<BR>> = observations.<BR>> Vy 73,<BR>>&nbs= p; Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent.<BR>> <BR>> <B= R>> <BR>> -- <BR>> <A href=3D"http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/" targ= et=3D_blank>http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/</A><BR>> <A href=3D"http://ww= w.g3xbm.co.uk/" target=3D_blank>http://www.g3xbm.co.uk</A><BR>> <A href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm" target=3D_blank>http://www.yout= ube.com/user/g3xbm</A><BR>> <A href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/sub= 9khz/" target=3D_blank>https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/</A><BR>> <= BR><BR>-- <BR>73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw<BR>qth nr felixstowe uk<BR>(east coa= st, county of suffolk)<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></div></body></html> --0-1182136098-1312471191=:73777--