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=A0=0AIn my view (I'm a bit OT, probably)=A0we are now discussing about=A0d=
ignity and - in the end -=A0about freedom.=0A73=0AD.=0A=A0=0A=0AFrom: g4gvw=
 <g4gvw@aol.com>=0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0ASent: Thursday, Augus=
t 4, 2011 4:48 PM=0ASubject: Re: LF: QSY=0A=0AHi Roger,=0A=0AAlan G3NYK and=
 myself often debate this (being 'ole fogeys').=0A=0APersonally I would ali=
gn this with the failure of our education system=0Ato engage students in th=
e sciences and mathematics in our schools.=0A=0AWhen I was at school you co=
uld go along to any of our science masters=0Aand get involved in a discussi=
on about crystal sets, aerials etc. even=0Athough I cannot remember any one=
 of them being licensed. We had a school=0Aradio club that was effectively =
run by ourselves with the encouragement=0Aof the school. A lab tech taught =
me to solder. He didn't have any=0Ainterest in electronics or radio but he =
could sure use a "bolt" and a=0Abunsen burner!=0A=0AAlso, in those days, ki=
ds (especially boys) had HOBBIES not HOODIES! We=0Abuilt model aircraft, bo=
ats, carts, radios. We could even attach a bike=0Adynamo to a Mamod steam e=
ngine! You could learn about tearing the wings=0Aoff a Keil-Kraft model gli=
der by fitting a Jetex engine. You could=0Aalmost blow yourself up making r=
ockets from cigar tubes and "flash"=0Apowder. There was even a magazine cal=
led "Hobbies Magazine". The "EAGLE"=0Ahad a centre spread that never ever f=
eatured a "boob" as far as I can=0Aremember but oh those cut-away drawings =
of the "Flying Scotsman"!=0A=0AWe were excited by all that stuff. Now, toda=
y, I see on the TV news that=0Avast numbers of the population are becoming =
addicted to "Smartphones".=0AI remember a few years ago when describing a '=
mobile phone' as a "radio=0Atransceiver that connects to a telephone networ=
k" to some friends in the=0Apub, that eyes glazed over! "Technology" these =
days tends to mean=0A"Meeedja studies" doesn't it?=0A=0AI agree that "sumpn=
 needs to be done" but what? I think we are fighting=0Aa change that is as =
much cultural as technical.=0A=0ADiscuss. :>))=0A=0A73=A0 =0A=0A=0AOn Thu, =
2011-08-04 at 14:03 +0100, Roger Lapthorn wrote:=0A> Chris (et al)=0A> =0A>=
 In the last few years I've given talks at 5 different radio clubs in=0A> E=
ast Anglia. Some were well attended and thriving, others small but in=0A> g=
ood shape and one was clearly in trouble. A common thread throughout=0A> wa=
s a distinct lack of younger members. =0A> =0A> Although this is not a subj=
ect for further discussion on the=0A> LF-reflector it is something that sho=
uld concern us all. We need to=0A> find more ways of making the hobby invit=
ing to younger people without=0A> "dumbing it down". How?=A0 As a teenager =
I was fascinated by short-wave,=0A> communicating by string, radio, light b=
eams and earth currents. Today,=0A> the advances in technology make what we=
 do appear far from=0A> marvellous. =0A> =0A> Not sure of the answers but a=
mateur radio in 2020 may be just a=0A> handful of pensioners talking about =
how good it was in the old days.=0A> No doubt Mal will be one of them. =0A>=
 =0A> Did I also note in the RSGB's survey that LF was an interest mainly o=
f=0A> the older members?=0A> =0A> 73s=0A> Roger G3XBM=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =
=0A> On 4 August 2011 09:48, Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com> wrote:=0A>=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Hi Mal and LF,=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Mal says: =0A>=A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0 "If one is plagued with environmental noise and poor signal=0A>=A0 =A0=
 =A0 =A0 quality on LF/MF then maybe this is not the band for You."=0A>=A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 You might be right, but it's fun trying! I have very much=0A>=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 enjoyed the last couple of years on 136/7 despite the=0A>=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 difficulties.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Well, I'm not sure the QSY=
 is a solution either. When I rotate=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 my 2m beam and watc=
h the noise level on the s-meter, the noise=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 goes up by a=
bout 18db as the beam points down the=A0 line of the=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 hou=
ses in my street. Not surprising I have trouble on LF.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 A=
ll you can do is the best with the circumstances you're=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
presented with.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Lack of activity is as much due to us (r=
adio amateurs) in=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 general getting older and dropping out=
 of the hobby, with few=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 youngsters following on, as anyt=
hing else.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Thanks to those who commented about SNR, I ag=
ree with others=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 observations.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Vy 73,=
=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> -- =
=0A> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/=0A> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk=0A> http://w=
ww.youtube.com/user/g3xbm=0A> https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/=0A> =
=0A=0A-- =0A73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw=0Aqth nr felixstowe uk=0A(east coast, =
county of suffolk)
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t OT, probably)&nbsp;we are now discussing about&nbsp;dignity and - in the =
end -&nbsp;about freedom.</SPAN></div>
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old">To:</SPAN></B> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-=
WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, August 4, 2011 4:48 PM<BR><B><SPAN=
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Hi Roger,<BR><BR>Alan G3NYK and myself often debate this (being 'ole fogeys=
').<BR><BR>Personally I would align this with the failure of our education =
system<BR>to engage students in the sciences and mathematics in our schools=
.<BR><BR>When I was at school you could go along to any of our science
 masters<BR>and get involved in a discussion about crystal sets, aerials et=
c. even<BR>though I cannot remember any one of them being licensed. We had =
a school<BR>radio club that was effectively run by ourselves with the encou=
ragement<BR>of the school. A lab tech taught me to solder. He didn't have a=
ny<BR>interest in electronics or radio but he could sure use a "bolt" and a=
<BR>bunsen burner!<BR><BR>Also, in those days, kids (especially boys) had H=
OBBIES not HOODIES! We<BR>built model aircraft, boats, carts, radios. We co=
uld even attach a bike<BR>dynamo to a Mamod steam engine! You could learn a=
bout tearing the wings<BR>off a Keil-Kraft model glider by fitting a Jetex =
engine. You could<BR>almost blow yourself up making rockets from cigar tube=
s and "flash"<BR>powder. There was even a magazine called "Hobbies Magazine=
". The "EAGLE"<BR>had a centre spread that never ever featured a "boob" as =
far as I can<BR>remember but oh those cut-away drawings of the
 "Flying Scotsman"!<BR><BR>We were excited by all that stuff. Now, today, I=
 see on the TV news that<BR>vast numbers of the population are becoming add=
icted to "Smartphones".<BR>I remember a few years ago when describing a 'mo=
bile phone' as a "radio<BR>transceiver that connects to a telephone network=
" to some friends in the<BR>pub, that eyes glazed over! "Technology" these =
days tends to mean<BR>"Meeedja studies" doesn't it?<BR><BR>I agree that "su=
mpn needs to be done" but what? I think we are fighting<BR>a change that is=
 as much cultural as technical.<BR><BR>Discuss. :&gt;))<BR><BR>73&nbsp; <BR=
><BR><BR>On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 14:03 +0100, Roger Lapthorn wrote:<BR>&gt; C=
hris (et al)<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; In the last few years I've given talks at 5 d=
ifferent radio clubs in<BR>&gt; East Anglia. Some were well attended and th=
riving, others small but in<BR>&gt; good shape and one was clearly in troub=
le. A common thread throughout<BR>&gt; was a distinct lack of
 younger members. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Although this is not a subject for furt=
her discussion on the<BR>&gt; LF-reflector it is something that should conc=
ern us all. We need to<BR>&gt; find more ways of making the hobby inviting =
to younger people without<BR>&gt; "dumbing it down". How?&nbsp; As a teenag=
er I was fascinated by short-wave,<BR>&gt; communicating by string, radio, =
light beams and earth currents. Today,<BR>&gt; the advances in technology m=
ake what we do appear far from<BR>&gt; marvellous. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Not su=
re of the answers but amateur radio in 2020 may be just a<BR>&gt; handful o=
f pensioners talking about how good it was in the old days.<BR>&gt; No doub=
t Mal will be one of them. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Did I also note in the RSGB's =
survey that LF was an interest mainly of<BR>&gt; the older members?<BR>&gt;=
 <BR>&gt; 73s<BR>&gt; Roger G3XBM<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&g=
t; On 4 August 2011 09:48, Chris &lt;<A
 href=3D"mailto:c.ashby435@btinternet.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:c.ashby435@bti=
nternet.com">c.ashby435@btinternet.com</A>&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; Hi Mal and LF,<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Mal says: <=
BR>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; "If one is plagued with environmental no=
ise and poor signal<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; quality on LF/MF the=
n maybe this is not the band for You."<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Y=
ou might be right, but it's fun trying! I have very much<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &nbs=
p; &nbsp; &nbsp; enjoyed the last couple of years on 136/7 despite the<BR>&=
gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; difficulties.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &n=
bsp; Well, I'm not sure the QSY is a solution either. When I rotate<BR>&gt;=
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; my 2m beam and watch the noise level on the s-m=
eter, the noise<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; goes up by about 18db as=
 the beam points down the&nbsp; line of the<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
 &nbsp; houses in my street. Not surprising I have trouble on LF.<BR>&gt;&n=
bsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; All you can do is the best with the circumstances=
 you're<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; presented with.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &n=
bsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Lack of activity is as much due to us (radio amateurs) i=
n<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; general getting older and dropping out=
 of the hobby, with few<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; youngsters follo=
wing on, as anything else.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Thanks to tho=
se who commented about SNR, I agree with others<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=
 &nbsp; observations.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Vy 73,<BR>&gt;&nbs=
p; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <B=
R>&gt; <BR>&gt; -- <BR>&gt; <A href=3D"http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/" targ=
et=3D_blank>http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/</A><BR>&gt; <A href=3D"http://ww=
w.g3xbm.co.uk/" target=3D_blank>http://www.g3xbm.co.uk</A><BR>&gt; <A
 href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm" target=3D_blank>http://www.yout=
ube.com/user/g3xbm</A><BR>&gt; <A href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/sub=
9khz/" target=3D_blank>https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/</A><BR>&gt; <=
BR><BR>-- <BR>73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw<BR>qth nr felixstowe uk<BR>(east coa=
st, county of suffolk)<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></div></body></html>
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