Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1063 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2000 19:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by bells.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 8 Mar 2000 19:34:44 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12Sm72-00021E-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:27:16 +0000 Received: from amber-rwcmex.excite.com ([198.3.99.12] helo=amber.excite.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12Sm6y-000216-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:27:13 +0000 Received: from bubbles.excite.com ([199.172.153.29]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with ESMTP id <20000308192014.OYKC8264.ewey.excite.com@bubbles.excite.com> for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:20:14 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-ID: <12613263.952543214775.JavaMail.imail@bubbles.excite.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:20:14 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "john sexton" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: LF antennas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 213.1.37.193 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Rik, Now I have had time to study your web page on 136 antennas, I have the following comments, which I hope you will find useful. 1. The reason that the antenna current decreases linearly to zero at the end of the antenna, is because sin(x) = x approx for small values of x, and for most amateur antennas the lengths involved are only a fraction of a wavelength. Similarly the reason the voltage is practically constant over any continuous segment of wire making up the antenna is because cos(x) =1 approx. 2. There are several useful programs from G4FGQ for determining probable environmental loss for a given site. 3. The values of Q for loading coils, that you have used in examples are very conservative, it is not particularly difficult to obtain higher values of Q especially for small elevated coils. 4. From your explanation of how to calculate ERP, it follows that in order not to exceed 1 watt ERP, we must not exceed approx. 0.55 watt radiated power. 5. I thought at first that you had lost a factor of 4 (two squared) in formula 5a, but later realised that the ratio is calculated with respect to the average current in a monopole, which is 50%. It might be useful to make this clear, assuming that it isn't just me who trips over this one. 6. The results of calculations agree well with those obtained from G4FGQ's program TANT136. 7. The paragraph just above the graph in section 2.2, states that the gain that can be achieved &is 6dB. The reason for this is that one can at most double the average current in the vertical, which occurs when the current is constant over the vertical segment. 8. Concerning Umbrella antennas, i.e. capacitive top loading with down sloping top loading wires, you suggest a maximum vertical descent of 50% should not be exceeded. In a comment regarding the Galveston NDB, someone (sorry I have forgotten who) said that the textbooks on VLF recommend not more than 30%. I decided to try to determine the optimum value and came up with the following formula: The Optimum length of a down sloper from the top is h(sqrt(1+sec(alpha)) -1), where h is the height of the main mast and alpha is the angle of the sloper from the vertical. Which this length the Radiation Resistance compared with a monopole of the same height is increased by a factor of 4 * (1 + cos(alpa))^2 * (1 - sqrt(cos(alpha)/(1+cos(alpha)))^2. This increases monotonically with alpha. At 89 degrees, L is approx. 6.6 * h and the Radiation Resistance is approx. 3 * that of Monopole. For an angle of 45 degrees, the sloper should descend 39% of the height and the multiplication factor for Rr is only 1.48. 9. You give some useful results and graphs for inductive loading. I would only like to comment that the elevated coil need not be the full value to resonate the top part of the antenna. A combination of top capacitive and inductive loading can be beneficial, e.g a 60 metre horizontal top and a 3 mHenry coil will practically achieve the full 6 dB increase. 10. Section 2.7 Antennas with multiple vertical elements. This looks like a good idea, which needs to be investigated further. 11. Section 2.10 Helical antenna. You point out that if capacitive top loading is added the advantage of a helical antenna will be less. This is of course relatively speaking. This is really a case of "less is more". Congratulations on a fine piece of work. I for one feel that at last I am beginning to understand LF antennas. 73 John, G4CNN _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com