Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1102; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t7LJmwMv016266 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 21:48:58 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZSsFS-0003lu-SU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 20:45:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZSsFS-0003ll-39 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 20:45:10 +0100 Received: from nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.213.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSsEO-0002r7-0G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 20:45:08 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=sbcglobal.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s2048; t=1440186224; bh=STMAI4ud3UXfNhWh1WzdLbNemZ95Igm5IHMv5XP2i7k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=VyslMvzNKYAaVTMXExrobld9LMQpcnVWs47qFRRYfD4ViNdemtylswP/ZjX7YSif9Oqugq7ltbfBTWnfktW4YwdJcnpvKpPLh8l4kXrIGjJCnjQFYwi0WVlTJ5b81AADIQl2kDrw+QC6rRQpLq7XpIY31WANuXsUB0eKgfIabB3dtyQflPU7YMEMJTTMcBaFzHoBS1O6AgmFfBUtYTJQXiZCeG77ziPOud1OryN0DdMvs1fHxdIo0PIKbuFSOv4sHJOyAxrqUw1rPz9k0ySPtIjWLQRgcZm/hQs238zsrSzpXs1GdRKo5M7c+Lt065fEFpvRr2D/c0lR0y45ihV7Aw== Received: from [98.139.170.181] by nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2015 19:43:44 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.209] by tm24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2015 19:43:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2015 19:43:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 966214.35919.bm@omp1018.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: iMBkMzUVM1l5J_smxvdChZowjk.XpEtsc_E0tN31bQO.11Ldr5lLQ5hvPHVGeQC puksfUKg78PM9OUQQOj0lGRqOSMIr6mezObSnfq1r9dx0AiIoeLJ8rYF9buXEr_XIkAMXOJqbkov pk0BjCbPpJg8CGwI6lS.Z4RJOKq4kc3FZ8sPDt2E51p0t.e_f8jXHv.qdFOn0AWR41JV4qhTFYHD rX02ZRq0jRynHv86g.0sZ8mjDe5tVoD8Usu.1_mBdKaTQ4HasLuyPzr.JrMRgFfFgq0o.UPQmNfW WYOzQ5YkL_bA6zSxMPxJv3uRJ2IIO0GkJ6JvW.6GJLDhA9rzTnosKA2YorjSNLdgXzqkTxCa3ruT s8kCfBMzqLgIIq5sOzikTVNsBeHZ3LYMUooVSgcU2MJDdNNNZ9vd2j5gOdg5TRLpuTrKr2FBv32G vqhSZ2ADWdU9I1S.DbK.nf9q3DK49kcbXNzEYl4n8q61omMYUzhmYljGIBhHAwmL6B24pw9Z4all PnGDrjyZxQ3zCoAqOeQOGFxbWzM1wJe99u2bASuf7G.ewaJeQEp.Iax0h61CY1T.F13czdzD7igk 6XP7aMcHuI3wQI0zZQAkN0dk- Received: by 66.196.81.116; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 19:43:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 19:43:44 +0000 (UTC) From: John Langridge To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Message-ID: <1237831047.8588099.1440186224195.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <55D73136.7040101@posteo.de> References: <55D73136.7040101@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 3f12a6171cff302119f724e64afab799 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Band is open to VK! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8588098_1731056363.1440186224181" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3927 ------=_Part_8588098_1731056363.1440186224181 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >WSPR is maybe 30 dB more "efficient", if just a positive detectioncounts. = So CW will be hard! I definitely agree that CW will be hard over the very long haul but I am en= couraged with improvements in receiver technology/DSP and smaller, high per= formance receive antennas.=C2=A0=20 Out of curiosity, are most stations in Europe=C2=A0 using directional RX an= tennas or only omnidirectional/TX antenna?=C2=A0 Most of us here state side= that have made it across at one time or another using WSPR or other modes = are using directional antennas.=C2=A0 Just a matter of curiosity on my part= .=20 also is there a repository of records from the last solar minimum on 630m? 73! John KB5NJD / WG2XIQ.. From: DK7FC To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 9:09 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Band is open to VK! =20 Hi Fausto, Am 21.08.2015 15:39, schrieb Fausto Coletti: =20 Hi Stefan, =C2=A0 It would be interesting try to transmit a=C2=A0robust CW= signal on 472 KHz, eventually with alambda/4 kite antenna on the saltwate= r.Yes, on a north sea island :-) With my 300m kite antenna of 2010/11.And w= ith 2 kW or more, on a hard keyed PA with some chirp and hum ;-)Chris would= agree i bet :-) It is a bit of time I'm thinking... ;-) Some years ago I made several Q= SOs on 160m with VK and ZLfrom my home with the same 25m tophatantenna tha= t I use for 630m. Why not try also=C2=A0on MF ?=20 630m is a BIG difference to 160m when it comes to DX. I saw WSPRdecodes on = 160m between EU and VK with 2W (TX power). All the timethere are active WSP= R stns TXing on 630m during the interesting timeperiod and there are plenty= of active RX stations. But decodes are veryvery very very very very very v= ery very very very very very very veryvery very very very very very very ve= ry very very very very very veryvery very very very very very very very ver= y very very very very veryvery very very very very very very very very very= very very very veryvery very very very very very very very very very very = very very veryvery very very very very very very very very rare! :-) WSPR is maybe 30 dB more "efficient", if just a positive detectioncounts. S= o CW will be hard! Maybe you saw the capture from the dropbox link. There are just a fewtraces= and most CW men would interprete this as strange nonsense. Butit is an und= oubtful trace on my transmission, where frequency andtiming and the content= matches. That is in DFCW-180, which means a "D"takes 11 minutes to transmi= t. In CW, my TX power would have to be inthe range of 100 MW! So no chance = for CW at all... 73, cul, Stefan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 73, Fausto IK4NNMF =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ----- OriginalMessage -----= =20 From: DK7FC To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent:Friday, August 21, 201= 5 2:26 PM Subject:LF: Band is open to VK!=20 Hi LF,=20 =20 It's time again to try attemps to leave traces in VK. Edgar is runninghis g= rabber at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/101251787/testIDC.html Starting 18:30 UTC, i will attempt to leave a trace in DFCW-180 there.The b= est result so far was that: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/LF= /Dk7FC%20ver%20o%20spec.png Will someone join in? =20 73, Stefan=20 =20 Nessun virus nelmessaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2015.0.6125 / Database dei virus: 4392/10477 - Data dirilascio: 2= 1/08/2015=20 ------=_Part_8588098_1731056363.1440186224181 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>WSPR is mayb= e 30 dB more "efficient", if just a positive detection counts. So CW will be hard!

I definitely agree that CW will b= e hard over the very long haul but I am encouraged with improvements in rec= eiver technology/DSP and smaller, high performance receive antennas.  =

Out of curiosity, are most stations in Europe  usin= g directional RX antennas or only omnidirectional/TX antenna?  Most of= us here state side that have made it across at one time or another using W= SPR or other modes are using directional antennas.  Just a matter of c= uriosity on my part.

also is there a repository of recor= ds from the last solar minimum on 630m?

73!

John= KB5NJD / WG2XIQ..

From: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 9:09 AM
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject: Re: LF: Re: Band is o= pen to VK!

Hi Fausto,

Am 21.08.2015 15:39, schrieb Fausto Coletti:
Hi Stefan,
 
It would be interesting try to transmit a robust CW signal on 472 KHz,
eventually with a lambda/4 kite antenna on the saltwater. Yes, on a north sea island :-) With my 300m kite antenna of 2010/11. And with 2 kW or more, on a hard keyed PA with some chirp and hum ;-) Chris would agree i bet :-)
It is<= /span> a bit of time I'm thinking... = ;-)
Some yea= rs ago I ma= de several QSOs on 160m with VK and ZL from my home
with the same 25m tophat antenna that I use for 630m.
Why not try = also on MF ?
630m is a BIG difference to 160m when it comes to DX. I saw WSPR decodes on 160m between EU and VK with 2W (TX power). All the time there are active WSPR stns TXing on 630m during the interesting time period and there are plenty of active RX stations. But decodes are very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very rare! :-)
WSPR is maybe 30 dB more "efficient", if just a positive detection counts. So CW will be hard!

Maybe you saw the capture from the dropbox link. There are just a few traces and most CW men would interprete this as strange nonsense. But it is an undoubtful trace on my transmission, where frequency and timing and the content matches. That is in DFCW-180, which means a "D" takes 11 minutes to transmit. In CW, my TX power would have to be in the range of 100 MW! So no chance for CW at all...

73, cul, Stefan




 
 
73, Fausto I= K4NNMF
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: DK7FC
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 2:26 PM
Subject: LF: Band is open to VK!

Hi LF,

It's time again to try attemps to leave traces in VK. Edgar is running his grabber at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10125178= 7/testIDC.html
Starting 18:30 UTC, i will attempt to leave a trace in DFCW-180 there. The best result so far was that: https://= dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/LF/Dk7FC%20ver%20o%20spec.png
Will someone join in?

73, Stefan=20
Nessun virus nel messaggio.
Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com
Versione: 2015.0.6125 / Database dei virus: 4392/10477 - Data di rilascio: 21/08/2015


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