Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG053-59e492514b4296; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:41:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG013-59e492514b4296; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:41:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1L34AH-0006hw-3K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:41:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1L34AG-0006hn-Ge for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:41:24 +0000 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L34AF-0003Vf-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:41:24 +0000 Received: from mbox2-vams.netikka.net (mbox2 [127.0.0.1]) by mbox2-scanned.netikka.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C6E2E408016 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:41:16 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by mbox2.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AB3408016 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:41:16 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA86495B8F for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:41:16 +0200 (EET) Received: from eur-info24.infonet.com (eur-info24.infonet.com [213.31.11.24]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:41:16 +0200 Message-ID: <1227166876.4925149c95ec8@imp.netikka.net> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:41:16 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001e01c94a77$cc1fa780$a402a8c0@Inspiron> <004e01c94a9c$dddbe860$0900a8c0@AM> In-Reply-To: <004e01c94a9c$dddbe860$0900a8c0@AM> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 213.31.11.24 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 3C85/90 Toroids Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello! Have a look at Ferroxcube (Philips) cores of 3F3 material. As far as I can interpret datasheets for these, they should work fairly well as transformers= up to 500kHz with a DC component and up to 1MHz without DC. I think Gus/SM6BHZ has been using these on at least 500kHz and can perhaps report on success/failure here. 73's Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Quoting Alan Melia : > Lee, I think the 3C85s were made by Philips and I susppect they have sold=20= of > that line look under Neosid, and Epcos (though my link to the latter does > not seem to work now, but it is a couple of years since I was searching > their site. Just look for the right sized core in a material with a > permiability of around 4000, you can get higher values but I believe these > may be a bit more lossy. The other trick is to look up the "turns per mH" > (or uH) then wid a few turns on an unknown core and see what the inductanc= e > comes out at. I bout a couple of massive cores at Donning a couple of year= s > back that had brown and blue mains wire wrapped round them. They were abou= t > 6in diam and were brilliant for transformers. The 56uH that was refered to > is for the LPF and inductors for these should never be wound on ferrite, l= ow > permiability iiron dust possibly but air cored on a 38mm white waste pipe=20= is > by far the best. Just make sure the coil axes are orthogonal if they are n= ot > screened as the stray fields are much higher than from toroids. > > Some ideas here > http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/toroids.htm#ferrite%20toroids > > Alan G3NYK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lee Hudson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 6:51 PM > Subject: LF: 3C85/90 Toroids > > > > Hi, > > > > Any suggestions for suppliers of Toroids made from 3C85/90 material rath= er > > than stripping down old SMPS? > > > > 73, > > Lee > > M0LMH > > > > > > >