Return-Path: Received: from mtain-di05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-di05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.9]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF021-5ee64cd7d6af1c2; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 05:53:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-di05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8264B380001D3; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 05:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PFPKU-0003Jw-N0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:52:02 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PFPKU-0003Jn-6A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:52:02 +0000 Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.196]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PFPKS-0003Ni-FF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:52:02 +0000 Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2010 10:51:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.29] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2010 10:51:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2010 10:51:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 521267.55959.bm@omp1029.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 77127 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Nov 2010 10:51:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1289213512; bh=Vup/Szt/gOMMSZCmF/m8DslHikfm+q4OaTPrNG5cqLI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZyA3lJAbRv0VDpTbmSo64g0lZvIwKW/Qrbycy1iibROD75piClI6uzb1rgMegX+/0NVtubWqYM/6Z6OcsrA5HE5RTF+d2dBZUkv1gSrqmH26P5+a/lIQgdBF2EIq+mFanuulIIs1QAfloABb/o7vK2NBjbDaWNko1z/AXwCtTqw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EsUb3pdmhqYalCpHe1x60/ZhXgk21Q9Ozrgb7HyWHD2adwFs4qDjmIvCX07KxG9DCM6Yj29xmUaD6EWYZeSwkMxAVCV6KgHn5I/19sasWM5huNnglwnIx4uWEDZkdvU8DdkhEGbhxFwFBW9FdovJENcQtv+dwQrLNAxkCbbCpoY=; Message-ID: <117925.76893.qm@web111913.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: TO8pP7UVM1khM7wzZ2par8ITTmsR9PuRkaNnoeTXY1lucsr sswyJ.6Bw Received: from [151.99.187.181] by web111913.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 02:51:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/504.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.284920 References: <798586.46009.qm@web111901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <4CD729D1.3060706@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1934331362.5439463.1289204160706.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb079> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 02:51:51 -0800 (PST) From: Daniele Tincani To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1934331362.5439463.1289204160706.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb079> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.014,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: VLF: BBB-4-like receiver ready for first tests Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1727354669-1289213511=:76893" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m262.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40094cd7d6ad6b97 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0-1727354669-1289213511=:76893 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Horst, what do you mean exactly with "a very high noise level"? Could you suggest= to me=20 (=3D dumb experimenter :-)) a=A0good-enough measurement method, though simple in terms of required instruments, etc., just to get some figures=A0= to=20 discuss on? As for the AATIS design, do you have the schematics available? Best regards Daniele ________________________________ From: Horst St=F6cker To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 9:16:00 AM Subject: Re: VLF: BBB-4-like receiver ready for first tests When I first heard about Natural Radio I also came to the schematic of the= =20 BBB-4. The problem: There is a special transformer from Radio Shack that= makes=20 the high L. But which type exactly? So I took four standard coils in serie= s to=20 make the high L. The BBB-4 was working, but with a very high noise level,= even=20 with low noise transistors. Before I could fix the problem I got a PCB (AS 069) from the AATIS (a germ= an=20 club that is highly engaged bringing ham radio and electronics to schools)= . I=20 build that "Sferics RX" and its still in use and doing a great job. The PC= B is=20 still in stock at=20 http://www.aatis.de/content/baus%C3%A4tze/lieferbar/men%C3%BCseite. I am not member of AATIS. But to me the AS 069 is the better choice than= the=20 BBB-4. Horst DO1KHS/DI2AN=A0=A0 =20 Neu: WEB.DE De-Mail - Einfach wie E-Mail, sicher wie ein Brief! =A0=A0=A0 Jetzt De-Mail-Adresse reservieren: https://produkte.web.de/go/demail02=20 =20 --0-1727354669-1289213511=:76893 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Horst,
 
what do you mean exactly with "a very high noise level"? Could you su= ggest to me (=3D dumb experimenter :-)) a good-enough measurement met= hod, though
simple in terms of required instruments, etc., just to get= some figures to discuss on?
As for the AATIS design, do you have the schematics available?
 
Best regards
Daniele
=

From: Horst St=F6cker <= horst.stoecker@web.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: VLF: BBB-4-like receiver ready= for first tests

When I first heard about Natural Radio I al= so came to the schematic of the BBB-4. The problem: There is a special tra= nsformer from Radio Shack that makes the high L. But which type exactly?= So I took four standard coils in series to make the high L. The BBB-4 was= working, but with a very high noise level, even with low noise transistor= s.
Before I could fix the problem I got a PCB (AS 069) from the AATIS= (a german club that is highly engaged bringing ham radio and electronics= to schools). I build that "Sferics RX" and its still in use and doing a= great job. The PCB is still in stock at http://www.aatis.de/content/baus%C3%A4tze/lieferbar/men= %C3%BCseite.
I am not member of AATIS. But to me the AS 069 is the bett= er choice than the BBB-4.
Horst DO1KHS/DI2AN  


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