Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id w1AHZBgF004069 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 18:35:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ekYzP-0006DY-He for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 17:31:03 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ekYzO-0006DP-Uw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 17:31:02 +0000 Received: from sonic301-22.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([77.238.176.99]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ekYzL-0005y2-MY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 17:31:01 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s2048; t=1518283858; bh=wZ5Sw4/W7dPiD7bkq78eDaLUwWm/p5JCtr2tdbpQ7pI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=tHjFkSK4eARgq8AxComePIXB1gCNguzQqVJAn5n+z1gGnxiWMVNwUQnMBYh+opF5vRVTlrL96rChQp3bseyUoLKBo7ly9WWG/ttJH1+4wH5Hp1kQx3hc8tH2lmsaYIZx28Q7fAvlk1LvfSmZImLYkaN6EMGEPtpwjnU96RwMYKI3b14JekVU7YrnvpsotzaT8tROkyO1Ah+1IUrbJxPJj2cVAbhzNFpXOwTnncGwVr1m4KGaWD0pLF3L8xfLtG09eKVhwEES2WEYNdFWlTlsjRkoK7M6veOyCrehfX1l04TTo8y1hhgnAuf/i3pyizcfz5qM2A/M+jvIMPyMm+1dBA== X-YMail-OSG: GE7q4OgVM1kKvFt9VHGDHSq8hO8OOAwUjr0QJYWnAFcVcZq9pWFv4JS2SastWtP gV_6SZ7KnB7aW0fglDiLIjZYX0NLz4t.vjsRQpW1HzaYTcUlkhT6fGbKl8F621S4UhMsDm2vvOYX 1k890Sc2NtmQMEHkrVeo.1kh2Jfyd1c0LDfO5AikW9cqmzzkzmEDBlpTmRgnr_wZ6aQL0s9kTfgU DG.RkOLeSvKubFTuut3V7wchD9nZP36yhtkH_ZnkBIh_IkMadA74pWLcs44.bwKn0jMpHqzXhdD3 Lr1Pge1_dk2hw9iW6_Q0r69ELpbe_wN_KU_nQ9dzMrjUJ3otvZmlnedazGmC.2fiy7UJcZryJfWz aZYTnS2fslxQLpt3fOaVBqFEPOATVxODuUGzbzT_Q1_Z9WZFv8i9P3VPqv.c_dt8cs8bSC2c4xHs B.h0iDas8lvmL8sO6TkXXoK6m2BscZ1rXTtxSwGQqMk0f_40SSelPwbZEC5GIQde3S6VEkw-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic301.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 10 Feb 2018 17:30:58 +0000 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 17:30:43 +0000 (UTC) From: David Hine To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Message-ID: <1137725936.11186643.1518283843107@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1617f92d6d6-c8a-19b29@webjas-vad159.srv.aolmail.net> References: <1617f92d6d6-c8a-19b29@webjas-vad159.srv.aolmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.11316 YahooMailNeo Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/58.0.3029.110 Safari/537.36 Edge/16.16299 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Tom and Markus,This is the very reason I am reluctant to give out the Tesla TX radio method details. The counter-arguments are already rapidly building here against it, but I can assure you those 1.6 Hz signals are not what those 'experts' say. They don't have a clue regarding this 'Tesla' ELF system technology, because they cannot leave their Marconi 'mind-sets' behind. It will simply create more endless disputes at this stage. Harrp was a casualty of mis-interpretation of the 1.6 Hz traces on their displays, and that opened Haarp up to various very contraversial conspiracy theories. It then was 'instructed' to close by the US Government, using money funding excuses as the 'reason'. I have saved some of Haarp's 1.6 Hz 'affected' screenshots too. The Tesla radio TX method is totally different from Marconi's method. Marconi's radio method (the familiar one), favours higher frequencies, and Tesla's radio favours the lower frequencies. That's why Marconi's radio method only works at VLF using 'extreme' antenna sizes -Marconi antenna dimensions rapidly becoming impracticable as the frequency is lowered. I think the lowest TX frequency ever achieved by the Marconi system is around the 80 Hz for submarines, using many 100's of kilometres of 'antenna' strung across the countryside, and is still hopelessly inefficient and impractical for ELF. Tesla's radio is the opposite, and favours frequencies as low as 1 Hz with very compact antenna dimensions (around 2 metres high, and 1 metre wide). What I want to research, is the highest frequency the Tesla system will work efficiently up to. On receiving tests, the Tesla method is good up to around 400 kHz, above which, it rapidly becomes very inefficient (upper cut off frequency). I will also set up a broadcast (AM Modulated) signal in the Long Wave broadcasting band (LF), using it to transmit music as a testing programme. When it's all up and running on VLF / LF, I will put out various test signals using it, and join in the VLF 'fun'.With very kind regards, David [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (evad_hine[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: a44b221381f32eba3e5127fadf77bc3d Subject: Re: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11186642_1866804016.1518283843105" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ------=_Part_11186642_1866804016.1518283843105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tom and Markus,This is the very reason I am reluctant to give out the Te= sla TX radio method details. The counter-arguments are already rapidly buil= ding here against it, but I can assure you those 1.6 Hz signals are not wha= t those 'experts' say. They don't have a clue regarding this 'Tesla' ELF sy= stem technology, because they cannot leave their Marconi 'mind-sets' behind= . It will simply create more endless disputes at this stage. Harrp was a ca= sualty of mis-interpretation of the 1.6 Hz traces on their displays, and th= at opened Haarp up to various very contraversial conspiracy theories. It th= en was 'instructed' to close by the US Government, using money funding excu= ses as the 'reason'. I have saved some of Haarp's 1.6 Hz 'affected' screens= hots too.=C2=A0The Tesla radio TX method is totally different from Marconi'= s method. Marconi's radio method (the familiar one), favours higher frequen= cies, and Tesla's radio favours the lower frequencies. That's why Marconi's= radio method only works at VLF using 'extreme' antenna sizes -Marconi ante= nna dimensions rapidly becoming impracticable as the frequency is lowered. = I think the lowest TX frequency ever achieved by the Marconi system is arou= nd the 80 Hz for submarines, using many 100's of kilometres of 'antenna' st= rung across the countryside, and is still hopelessly inefficient and imprac= tical for ELF. Tesla's radio is the opposite, and favours frequencies as lo= w as 1 Hz with very compact antenna dimensions (around 2 metres high, and 1= metre wide). What I want to research, is the highest frequency the Tesla s= ystem will work efficiently up to. On receiving tests, the Tesla method is = good up to around 400 kHz, above which, it rapidly becomes very inefficient= (upper cut off frequency). I will also set up a broadcast (AM Modulated) s= ignal in the Long Wave broadcasting band (LF), using it to transmit music a= s a testing programme. When it's all up and running on VLF / LF, I will put= out various test signals using it, and join in the VLF 'fun'.With very kin= d regards, David=C2=A0 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 10 February 2018, 11:58 Subject: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna? Hi Tom, David, I'm not aware of a functional "Tesla Antenna" concept. The mentioning of th= e Kiruna site suggests that those low frequency carriers might be have been= created by ionospheric heating, where=C2=A0a powerful AM-modulated HF tran= smitter is used to modulate the ionospheric conductivity. In analogy to the= =C2=A0"Luxembourg effect" where the modulation is transferred to=C2=A0other= MF or LF signals, they can also generate detectable ELF emissions by defle= cting the DC polar electrojet current. Similar experiments have been report= ed=C2=A0by the HAARP facility=C2=A0(Gakona AK), and the method=C2=A0has bee= n=C2=A0suggested as a means to communicate to deeply submerged submarines. 73,=20 Markus, DF6NM -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK1IS An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 10. Feb 2018 0:36 Betreff: Re: LF: Russian Alphas not QRT but QRP ? Hi David, most interesting! - Could you give some more information about QTH, TX and = "Tesla" antenna? Tu es 73, Tom, DK1IS Am 09.02.2018 um 21:44 schrieb David Hine:Hi, I do transmitting on ELF occa= sionally on a frequency of 1.6 Hz using a 'Tesla' antenna, giving a global = range (screenshot example from Kiruna, Sweden, attached). It is likely to b= e a 'QSB' fade out, and at ELF, these can last for many days. I have notice= d this often on my transmitted ELF signals, with a 2 week QSB period being = the average.Kind regards, David =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_Part_11186642_1866804016.1518283843105 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tom and Mar= kus,
This= is the very reason I am reluctant to give out the Tesla TX radio method de= tails. The counter-arguments are already rapidly building here against it, = but I can assure you those 1.6 Hz signals are not what those 'experts' say.= They don't have a clue regarding this 'Tesla' ELF system technology, becau= se they cannot leave their Marconi 'mind-sets' behind. It will simply creat= e more endless disputes at this stage.
Harrp was a casualty of mis-interpretation = of the 1.6 Hz traces on their displays, and that opened Haarp up to various= very contraversial conspiracy theories. It then was 'instructed' to close = by the US Government, using money funding excuses as the 'reason'. I have s= aved some of Haarp's 1.6 Hz 'affected' screenshots too. 
The Tesla radio TX m= ethod is totally different from Marconi's method. Marconi's radio method (t= he familiar one), favours higher frequencies, and Tesla's radio favours the= lower frequencies. That's why Marconi's radio method only works at VLF usi= ng 'extreme' antenna sizes -Marconi antenna dimensions rapidly becoming imp= racticable as the frequency is lowered. I think the lowest TX frequency eve= r achieved by the Marconi system is around the 80 Hz for submarines, using = many 100's of kilometres of 'antenna' strung across the countryside, and is= still hopelessly inefficient and impractical for ELF.
Tesla's radio is the opposi= te, and favours frequencies as low as 1 Hz with very compact antenna dimens= ions (around 2 metres high, and 1 metre wide). What I want to research, is = the highest frequency the Tesla system will work efficiently up to. On rece= iving tests, the Tesla method is good up to around 400 kHz, above which, it= rapidly becomes very inefficient (upper cut off frequency). I will also se= t up a broadcast (AM Modulated) signal in the Long Wave broadcasting band (= LF), using it to transmit music as a testing programme.
When it's all up and runni= ng on VLF / LF, I will put out various test signals using it, and join in t= he VLF 'fun'.
With very kind regards, David 


From: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
= To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Saturday, 10 February 2018, 11:58
Subject: VLF: 1.6 Hz from Kiruna?=
Hi Tom, David,
I'm not aware of a functional "Tesla Antenna" concept. The mentioning = of the Kiruna site suggests that those low frequency carriers might be have= been created by ionospheric heating, where a powerful AM-modulated HF= transmitter is used to modulate the ionospheric conductivity. In analogy t= o the "Luxembourg effect" where the modulation is transferred to = other MF or LF signals, they can also generate detectable ELF emissions by = deflecting the DC polar electrojet current. Similar experiments have been r= eported by the HAARP facility (Gakona AK), and the method ha= s been suggested as a means to communicate to deeply submerged submari= nes.
73,
Markus, DF6NM
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK1IS &l= t;DK1IS@kabelmail.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Sa, 10. Feb 2018 0:36<= br clear=3D"none">Betreff: Re: LF: Russian Alphas not QRT but QRP ?
Hi David,
most interesting! - C= ould you give some more information about QTH, TX and "Tesla" antenna?
Tu es 73,
Tom, DK1IS
Am 09.02.2018 um 21:44 schrieb David Hin= e:Hi, I do transmitting on ELF occasionally on a frequency of 1.6 Hz using a 'Tesla' antenna, giving a global range (screenshot example from Kiruna, Sweden, attached). It is likely to be a 'QSB' fade out, and at ELF, these can last for many days. I have noticed this often on my transmitted ELF signals, with a 2 week QSB period being the average.Kind regards, David


<= /b>

=20


------=_Part_11186642_1866804016.1518283843105--