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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: > minor phase instability in your phase plot? Is it propagation? Yes I think so, the polar plot also shows some amplitude variation. No idea though why there were 55 symbol errors, from the phase plot I would have expected very near zero. Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [74.6.130.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 80dfd4418e586cee7526d670ae10acbc Subject: Re: LF: EbNaut LF message announcement Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2628455_1746005989.1544566623205" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ------=_Part_2628455_1746005989.1544566623205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > minor phase instability in your phase plot? Is it propagation? Yes I think so, the polar plot=C2=A0also shows some amplitude variation. No= idea though=C2=A0why=C2=A0there were 55 symbol errors, from the phase plot= I would have expected very near zero. 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Di, 11. Dez 2018 22:48 Betreff: Re: LF: EbNaut LF message announcement Hello Markus and Geoff, Markus, thanks for the decode and feedback. How do you explain theminor pha= se instability in your phase plot? Is it propagation? Geoff, thanks for trying. The 2nd message is completed already. S/Nshould b= e fine for a decode :-) Are you also new on this reflector? It is nice to see new OMs alwaysand alw= ays again :-) I know your call from theWSPR map on LF. Your RXand location = must be very good for LFreception! Which method do you use for getting EbNaut decodes, i.e. what isyour(extend= ed) rig? 73, Stefan Am 11.12.2018 22:29, schrieb Geoff Hughes: =20 #yiv7852948478 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Stefan, =20 A good signal here also - however I have been unable so far to producea r= ecording which will produce a successful decode. I will keepattempting. =20 73 Geoff G0LUJ =20 From:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org on behalf of Markus Vester Sent: 11 December 2018 21:07 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: EbNaut LF message announcement =C2=A0 =20 Hi Stefan, =20 a booming signal here, as usual. Interestingly,=C2=A0simultaneous decodingo= f VO1NA is pretty much undisturbed, even though=C2=A0ebnaut-rx claims -14.1= dB carrier-based=C2=A0 Eb/N0 due to the increased power in the 115 Hz audio= passband. =20 Unfortunately at this time I can't run=C2=A0autodecoders=C2=A0with=C2=A0the= heaviercode,=C2=A0the available=C2=A0PC took=C2=A0many minutes=C2=A0on ful= l throttle just tocrunch through=C2=A0the flat-phase trials.=C2=A0 =20 73 and good luck, Markus =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Di, 11. Dez 2018 18:07 Betreff: LF: EbNaut LF message announcement =20 LF,=20 =20 Another opportunity for the EbNaut friends: =20 f =3D 137.540 kHz Start time: 11.DEC.2018=C2=A0 20:00 UTC (hourly, including 7 UTC) Symbol period: 1 s Characters: 12 CRC bits: 16 Coding 16K21A Antenna current: 4 A Duration: 28:48 [mm:ss]=20 =20 73, Stefan =20 ------=_Part_2628455_1746005989.1544566623205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> minor phase instability in your phase p= lot? Is it propagation?

Yes I think so, the = polar plot also shows some amplitude variation. No idea though wh= y there were 55 symbol errors, from the phase plot I would have expect= ed very near zero.

73, Markus


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC = <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Di, 11. Dez 2018 22:48=
Betreff: Re: LF: EbNaut LF message announcement

Hello Markus and Geoff,

Markus, thanks for the decode and feedback. How do you explain the minor phase instability in your phase plot? Is it propagation?

Geoff, thanks for trying. The 2nd message is completed already. S/N should be fine for a decode :-)
Are you also new on this reflector? It is nice to see new OMs always and always again :-) I know your call from theWSPR map on LF. Your RX and location must be very good for LFreception!
Which method do you use for getting EbNaut decodes, i.e. what isyour (extended) rig?

73, Stefan

Am 11.12.2018 22:29, schrieb Geoff Hughes:
Stefan,

A good signal here also - however I have been unable so far to produce a recording which will produce a successful decode. I will keep attempting.

73 Geoff G0LUJ

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> on behalf of Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com&g= t;
Sent: 11 December 2018 21:07
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: EbNaut LF message announcement
 

Hi Stefan,

a booming signal here, as usual. Interestingly, simultaneous decoding of VO1NA is pretty much undisturbed, even though ebnaut-rx claims -14.= 1 dB carrier-based  Eb/N0 due to the increased power in the 115 Hz audio passband.

Unfortunately at this time I can't run autodecoders with the= heavier code, the available PC took many minutes on full thrott= le just to crunch through the flat-phase trials. 

73 and good luck,
Markus

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberd= enken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Di, 11. Dez 2018 18:07
Betreff: LF: EbNaut LF message announcement

LF,

Another opportunity for the EbNaut friends:

f =3D 137.540 kHz
Start time: 11.DEC.2018  20:00 UTC (hourly, including 7 UTC)
Symbol period: 1 s
Characters: 12
CRC bits: 16
Coding 16K21A
Antenna current: 4 A
Duration: 28:48 [mm:ss]


73, Stefan
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