Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (rly-ma03.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.47]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA101-89c495fc6bb1f8; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:12:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA036-89c495fc6bb1f8; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:12:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LJCrF-0007zt-G2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:12:29 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LJCrE-0007zk-Np for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:12:28 +0000 Received: from smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.156] helo=smtp3.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LJCrD-00081t-22 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:12:28 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3201.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9A6637000086 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:12:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.61.236]) by mwinf3201.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 545027000084 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:12:19 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20090103201219345.545027000084@mwinf3201.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <10E25CC032184C66A91F9B92768DF00C@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <285F98C95F064AA8B5B6C559814191EC@ns94d01ae4d850> <00ba01c96dc1$88a85a20$6401a8c0@asus> <692151C1D69C47E4ADF8C184868FBF14@AGB> <018401c96dd1$6a78bda0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <01d401c96dd7$45567520$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:12:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.5027.908 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.5027.908 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks Andy, Well the drive level is direct from multipsk , but with 2 applications=20 running thats +6db up 3 .. may be +12 db over the norm .. might of been a=20 bit much for the soundblaster awe64 (ISA version) the local copy of the 2 modes has one looking stronger , but the R&S meter=20 with in line head is showing the same for each and double for both .. so i=20 think im linear G ... -------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Talbot" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:59 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -=20 RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS > > Yes, just about the same level of decoding, but MFSK certainly looks > weaker on teh spectrogrram. > Need to stop Rx and tunr off now, but will monitor this reflector > > Interesting stuff - half-tempted to apply for teh 500kHz NoV. > > > Andy G4JNT > www.g4jnt.com > > > > 2009/1/3 Graham : >> Andy, >> >> Are you looking at the same level of demodulation for olivia and mfsk ? >> >> If so that's a useful outcome as I know some stations are in the process= =20 >> of >> making tx transverters, but don't have linear power amps.. in which case, >> mfsk may offer an advantage over 2 tone rtt ? >> >> Tnx- G .. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Andy Talbot" >> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:21 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - >> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS >> >>> >>> I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required >>> throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most >>> important ones. At the moment, both those modes appear to be >>> particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm >>> getting. They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31, >>> but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in >>> poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth. >>> >>> So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times >>> over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly. Whether it >>> fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see >>> much other activity in the few 100 Hz used. Anyway, it looks as if >>> QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread. >>> >>> >>> Andy G4JNT >>> www.g4jnt.com >>> >>> >>> >>> 2009/1/3 mal hamilton : >>>> >>>> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if=20 >>>> you >>>> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE >>>> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!! >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM >>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER=20 >>>> BEACON - >>>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS >>>> >>>> >>>>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy : >>>>> >>>>> OLIVIA : >>>>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr- CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD g0nbd >>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K>>>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B>>>> 8 >>>>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$ >>>>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3 5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d g0nbd >>>>> gnbd >>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d g0nbd g0nbd >>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~ >>>>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+ CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0= nbd >>>>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd g0nbd >>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> MFSK8 >>>>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w =D9*BwkiroN9 -in=F0?Sd=DB4=BFhIa lr >>>>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez; uETqioB Vae n Ct W >>>>> amSdeMe=D4dYbV*=C5=AD ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq =BCeeaw= i i >>>>> =C0thiei=9A=B8etsI,nd;t 5ie ICzT q Jt=9E;a=BA o=BAnJ=BAo >>>>> a I=A4narLx=FDikc igq'>>>> rmmz e rke wxe=FBhC vo)o=B7dad=AA=8Begseey(v e vt sce\ wVsccon t"tciu >>>>> tt=A3h,iFtI=BCv lre=A6eek=FAn =80i z=E0=C2UP nve =BD=F9I t$ : nNe t=20= lro&"t l=D6 >>>>> e=B7=F7RenuIoqemfep ,=A4esss=ADfer tt=EA oequea8 =A4d=A7]xaV=B0N~u= =C7 pAbd g0nbd >>>>> g0nbd f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg =ADiefo& >>>>> kD kk e e0enm o=A7 HbecOgh=C9o eno fsewtit,es m=CCx=AAoitn 'Xei eaer= =FEii >>>>> lscktleea it=A5 nd=B7WmoEi=ADxirwn mdW=E3=A6 7euc eg%oa loPttst CQ C= Q CQ >>>>> DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk rBt=F28e=E6 t=B6=ADknmm)mL io= 4Eek a >>>>> oiiqa o zt eoun cKldd=F98 =B0o9aZnz=E5ee 1 =B9tlTtii0q=3Di ielsaa n= u 0 mPn=FA=FFK >>>>> =B3S=A2 iwX=E4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk x p=E2pg H Jant0n9=A8j=B7eoet n >>>>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=F4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf( >>>>> a=B1 rotet a=DC Foe2_vl=A7ms=ED t=CCk t=3D l=C5 edCQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd= g0nbd g0nbd >>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk ohixe J =AB=F2ee >>>>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a >>>>> bit uncertain now. MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job. >>>>> >>>>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Andy G4JNT >>>>> www.g4jnt.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------= --------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date:=20 >>>> 1/2/2009 >>>> 1:10 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date:=20 >>> 1/2/2009 >>> 13:10 >>> >> >> >> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009=20 > 13:10 >=20