Return-Path: Received: from mtain-di09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-di09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.13]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA071-b52c4cab65851f6; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:51:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-di09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F377338000087; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1P3Be0-00072m-21 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:49:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1P3Bdz-00072a-Lp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:49:39 +0100 Received: from smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P3Bdx-0000Q2-NJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:49:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 69543 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2010 17:49:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=JrDT+UG+NpQsSCwc7/muWZYpkXFBTYgJUVTQUAjldBPrsIdL4SnNf1DxEOEsC3dCOJRM0v0rxPD/Yw9PUFWFKsG+aCvjB7cx3CGr29byv2bDjJuonhwNLyNPqggw/Y/0VZAG4ygrWl392DCFeEejUczfvyEoRLGPSOa+TLWwOfk= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1286300971; bh=vNK+8T0dtThx0fFJhqHO9wiD2Naa7xt0XDUOFfhxlDg=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=GGFmvMv8AYYRUY188+3I/jlWVGqN6dVWDln/4ajECk1gMHpT1iPcGE0mrcLSBdpqRhNLvfH74NHEA31deVMpSo4YMYzXMQcCE22X9JDuXFSx+c+42WjPSoMBoJDgxAhB3DgZKbmmq0Dub1kO1cYp6jlIdzDgxvf4z4mGuWTEVzQ= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.174.31.94 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Oct 2010 17:49:31 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: bS0BLVQVM1nRm3PsC95PTr4i2vijFEuJIFPfttCDaQy652a ML7_Lxv_xozzho8ZnGye82pdhlnjOIiNnAToF1DRNKvD9ViHEPe94H7b.SsB Ef6uRW53Qk6lavQxDBGwjX2BmsBDFC6jArFwz3Nl7FDt7v2UlZBSYrlnvEOY 9mrg7WvVWhWa8DnbRQlF4lnFH6zwxC5G_YzUqVwBWUBMmmkvgtRHS2UtimNY DaYS42OrZod8eVqHNV28O5MCdiO4k X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <1084BD9E837D404F9CE73869DA1A0D1E@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:49:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: WSPR Dx Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d244.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d400d4cab6583319f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Andy, LF Group, G4JNT wrote: > Now, the source encoding and removal of all input redundancy means than > just > about any random set of 72 bits that get generated will end up with a > valid > looking callsign, locator and a power level. And of course, all > sidebands > will give the same result if they've wobbled together. Hmm... well, I might be willing to accept that as an explanation, but many of the double false decodes have delta - T values that differ from one another by several seconds. This would seem to require sidebands that wobble such that they correlate exactly with each other, but with several seconds time offset between the wobbles, rather than "wobbling together" as you put it. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU