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Content preview: Hi Roman,  Unfortunately, because of the bad attitude of DF7FC, and some others regarding the illegal use of public infrastructures as makeshift  TX antennas, it's best the operating details of the [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.179.147 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [77.238.179.147 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (evad_hine[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: bf24c83a1d8a53f10fb7579d3a983d2f Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27315209_1683508043.1547312330956" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ------=_Part_27315209_1683508043.1547312330956 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roman,=C2=A0 Unfortunately, because of the bad attitude of DF7FC, and some others regard= ing the illegal use of public infrastructures as makeshift=C2=A0 TX antennas, it's best the operating details of the experimental 1.6 Hz kit= are kept private, as this technology is to be used in other=C2=A0 radio projects.=C2=A0 Also, this tech must never be used on public utilities, and as DF7FC cannot= be trusted, I have been advised to ensure it's with-held. Sorry to be such a bore, but when dealing with irresponsible (who should kn= ow better) licenced Radio Amateurs, this is the only course=C2=A0 of action.=C2=A0 This is not in any way personal, just a way of preventing the future and po= tentially dangerous abuse of public transport and=C2=A0 power supply infrastructures. They are not intended as TX antennas, and tha= t idea is best dismissed. The RSGB and Ofcom will=C2=A0 expressly agree with not connecting a TX to any infrastructure. With very kind regards, David. From: Roman To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2019, 12:29 Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA =20 Hi David! > Hi Roman, >=20 > The 1.6Hz ELF transmission came from Southern England,=20 Is it possible to tell us more details? Whats power was used in experiment? Whats ant for TX? Who was Operator? May be any links about it? Roman > Unfortunately, because of the bad attitude of DF7FC and the others, the T= X >=20 > details must now be with-held. That was a team decision. The screenshot w= as sent to show that unlawful TX connexions to motorway >=20 > guard rails, railway infrastructure, electric / gas supply utilities and = fences etc. are totally unnecessary for the transmitting of ELF >=20 > signals. >=20 > These DO NOT make good VLF / ELF TX antennas (not designed for the job), = and will only bring trouble to the perpetrators, and >=20 > disrepute to Amateur Radio. The RSGB and Ofcom would never condone this s= ort of illegal activity, as it's a form of trespassing, and >=20 > poses public risk, and even death, if it disrupts signalling / traffic si= gns etc.. >=20 > I hope this makes sense, and any further crazy ideas in this direction ca= ncelled. >=20 > With very kind regards, David >=20 > From: Roman > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2019, 17:46 > Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA >=20 > Hello David! >=20 > TNX info about 1.6 Hz TX! >=20 > Please inform about details! > Whats ant was used? > Power? > Who was an Operator if this is no secret? >=20 > 73! > Roman, RW3ADB >=20 >> Attached is a screenshot of an ELF test transmission on 1.6Hz from the U= K as received on a magnetometer in Sweden. You don't need >> >> to break any laws, designed to keep roads and railways safe. To do so is= extremely irresponsible, and will damage the reputation of >> >> Radio Amateurs. >> >> Just have a suitable ELF TX method, David Hine >> >> From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez >> To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" >> Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2019, 18:35 >> Subject: RE: VLF: GOTA >> >> Seems that Mr.Tesla ghost surged again >> J >> >> By the way. We are still pending to see your signal bouncing around the = earth. But obviously you are busy performing cops >> games >> >> and teaching the golden rules to anyone who dares to experiment. That si= mply confirms what we tought about your promised >> >> experiments in ELF. Absolute FAKE >> >> N-I-L-L >> >> N-I-C-H-T-S >> >> N-A-D-A >> >> N-I-E-N-T-E >> >> That=E2=80=99s all you can contribute to this reflector. Your lawyer adv= ices sound nice, but we really don=E2=80=99t neew more lawyers >> or spectrum regulators here >> >> Anyway, you can write it in the instruction manual of your Tesla transmi= tting machine, when ready >> >> Pioneering in ELF needs some courage that you (obviously) don=E2=80=99t = have at your elderly and bet, never had in your real life >> (if any) >> >> Please Mr.Tesla, make a favour to this reflector and just write back whe= n you be on air >> >> 73 de Luis >> >> EA5DOM >> >> De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] >> En nombre de David Hine >> >> Enviado el: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 09 de enero de 2019 9:58 >> >> Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> Asunto: Re: VLF: GOTA >> >> Stefan, with greatest respect, none of my radio activities are illegal. = They don't need to be. It's illegal in the UK to >> use ANY public or other supply, motorway, railway and other utility infr= astructure for connecting to unknown radio equipment. It must be the same i= n Germany too. That's in the 'small print'. Modern digital signalling is of= ten very susceptible to RF interference. >> >> If it's on private land, the permission of that land owner must first be= granted. >> >> It's all common sense -would you like anyone to creep into your back yar= d and erect an antenna without your permission?? >> >> This sort of activity damages Amateur and experimental radio. NOV licenc= es can be obtained, if you think you need to do >> special or unusual radio researches. >> >> I bet you dare not ask your local authority if you can use public road g= uide rails for transmitting antennas -if you have, >> and they granted full permission, then you have made a real advancement = in radio. Ask your Radio Society what they think about this. >> >> I am not trying to be difficult, but you risk your radio licence and als= o risk jail if things go badly wrong on a public >> highway or railway due to illicit use in this way, and also the reputati= on of other Radio Amateurs. You also 'put yourself 'in the frame' if an acc= ident occurs that you did not cause -someone has to 'carry the can', and it= could be you if a camera 'spotted' >> you. The 'utilities' display trespass notices, which if you ignore, make= s it extremely easy for them to say "See you in court!!". >> >> With very kind regards, David Hine >> >> From: DK7FC >> >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2019, 7:25 >> >> Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA >> >> Ooh you seem to be one of the experts when it comes to 'Do not' and 'for= bidden'. Do you at least know why your (whole?) life is controlled >> by fears? Posttraumatic symptoms of a very dictatorial, violent childhoo= d? I hope you worked that out. >> >> Try to lead yourselfe by ideas and visions, by 'want to' or 'would like = to', not by fear and 'must not', 'have to', 'should' and 'should not'. >> >> Also i clearly see you didn't follow the recent successes with guide-rai= l antennas on VLF and ULF, probably because you're tyrelessly working on yo= ur 'Tesla' TX antenna: >> >> Am 10.02.2018 18:30, schrieb David Hine: >> >>> I will also set up a broadcast (AM Modulated) signal in the Long Wave b= roadcasting band (LF), using it to transmit music as a testing programme. >>> >>> When it's all up and running on VLF / LF, I will put out various test s= ignals using it, and join in the VLF 'fun'. >> >> That's almost a year ago. Now, where is the signal? W H E R E ?? Let's c= ompare which antenna works better. The grabbers are watching. >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> Am 08.01.2019 23:44, schrieb David Hine: >> >>> Do not be tempted to use railway lines, motorway barriers, fences etc. = for connection to radio transmitters. This is strictly >>> forbidden, and >>> >>> if caught, you could end up in jail plus a huge fine. These structures = all make rubbish antennas for VLF, so will never >>> perform well, as >>> >>> the losses are extremely high, and so will never radiate a useful VLF s= ignal. Never be tempted use any public 'infrastructure' >>> as an >>> >>> antenna -it just does not work, and will be a waste of effort. >>> >>> Regards, David Hine >>> >>> From: DK7FC >>> >>> >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2019, 22:26 >>> >>> Subject: VLF: GOTA >>> >>> Hi VLF, >>> >>> You probably know: >>> >>> IOTA - Islands On The Air >>> >>> SOTA - Summits On The Air >>> >>> but did you know >>> >>> GOTA - Guide-rails On The Air ??!! >>> >>> The year 2019 should be the year of GOTA! Try it out. You can do it! No >>> >>> excuses like problems with the large coils, the high voltages, the XYL >>> >>> occupying the garden. Just go out, take a walk, and see what you can do >>> >>> with some wire and a transmitter and some other equipment! :-) >>> >>> 73, Stefan > -- > 73! >=20 > Roman, RW3ADB --=20 73! Roman, RW3ADB =20 ------=_Part_27315209_1683508043.1547312330956 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Roman, = ;

Unfortunately, because of the bad= attitude of DF7FC, and some others regarding the illegal use of public inf= rastructures as makeshift 

TX antennas, it's best the operating details of the experimental 1= .6 Hz kit are kept private, as this technology is to be used in other =

radio projec= ts. 

Als= o, this tech must never be used on public utilities, and as DF7FC cannot be= trusted, I have been advised to ensure it's with-held.

Sorry to be such a bore, but whe= n dealing with irresponsible (who should know better) licenced Radio Amateu= rs, this is the only course 

of action. 

This is not in any way personal, just a way of pre= venting the future and potentially dangerous abuse of public transport and&= nbsp;
power s= upply infrastructures. They are not intended as TX antennas, and that idea = is best dismissed. The RSGB and Ofcom will 

expressly agree with not connecting a T= X to any infrastructure.

With very kind regards,

David.




From: Roman <rw3adb@YANDEX.ru>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Sent: Saturday, 12 J= anuary 2019, 12:29
Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA

Hi David!

> Hi Roman,
>
> The 1.6Hz EL= F transmission came from Southern England,

Is it possible to tell us more details?
Whats power= was used in experiment?
Whats ant for TX?
Who was Operator?
May be any links about it?

Roman

>= ; Unfortunately, because of the bad attitude of DF7FC and the others, the T= X
>
> details must now be with-h= eld. That was a team decision. The screenshot was sent to show that unlawfu= l TX connexions to motorway
>
> = guard rails, railway infrastructure, electric / gas supply utilities and fe= nces etc. are totally unnecessary for the transmitting of ELF
>
> signals.
>
> These DO NOT make good VLF / ELF TX antennas (not designed f= or the job), and will only bring trouble to the perpetrators, and
>
> disrepute to Amateur Radio. The RSGB= and Ofcom would never condone this sort of illegal activity, as it's a for= m of trespassing, and
>
> poses = public risk, and even death, if it disrupts signalling / traffic signs etc.= .
>
> I hope this makes sense, a= nd any further crazy ideas in this direction cancelled.
&= gt;
> With very kind regards, David
>
> From: Roman <rw3adb@YANDEX.ru<= /a>>
> To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Sent: Thursday, 10 Janu= ary 2019, 17:46
> Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA
>
> Hello David!
>
> TNX info about 1.6 Hz TX!
>
> Please inform about details!
> Whats = ant was used?
> Power?
> Who was = an Operator if this is no secret?
>
> 73!
> Roman, RW3ADB
>
>> Attached is a screenshot of an ELF test transmission= on 1.6Hz from the UK as received on a magnetometer in Sweden. You don't ne= ed
>>
>> to break any laws,= designed to keep roads and railways safe. To do so is extremely irresponsi= ble, and will damage the reputation of
>>
>> Radio Amateurs.
>>
>> Just have a suitable ELF TX method, David Hine
>>
>> From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez = <luis@vigilant.es>
>> To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2019, 18:35
>> Subject: RE: VLF: GOTA
>>
>> Seems that Mr.Tesla ghost surged again
>= ;> J
>>
>> By the way. W= e are still pending to see your signal bouncing around the earth. But obvio= usly you are busy performing cops
>> games
>>
>> and teaching the golden rules= to anyone who dares to experiment. That simply confirms what we tought abo= ut your promised
>>
>> expe= riments in ELF. Absolute FAKE
>>
= >> N-I-L-L
>>
>> N-I-= C-H-T-S
>>
>> N-A-D-A
>>
>> N-I-E-N-T-E
>>
>> That=E2=80=99s all you can contribu= te to this reflector. Your lawyer advices sound nice, but we really don=E2= =80=99t neew more lawyers
>> or spectrum regulators= here
>>
>> Anyway, you can= write it in the instruction manual of your Tesla transmitting machine, whe= n ready
>>
>> Pioneering in= ELF needs some courage that you (obviously) don=E2=80=99t have at your eld= erly and bet, never had in your real life
>> (if an= y)
>>
>> Please Mr.Tesla, m= ake a favour to this reflector and just write back when you be on air
>>
>> 73 de Luis
>>
>> EA5DOM
>>>> De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]
>> En nombre de David Hine
>>
>> Enviado el: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 09 de enero de 2019 9:58
>>
>> Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>&g= t;
>> Asunto: Re: VLF: GOTA
>&= gt;
>> Stefan, with greatest respect, none of my ra= dio activities are illegal. They don't need to be. It's illegal in the UK t= o
>> use ANY public or other supply, motorway, rail= way and other utility infrastructure for connecting to unknown radio equipm= ent. It must be the same in Germany too. That's in the 'small print'. Moder= n digital signalling is often very susceptible to RF interference.
>>
>> If it's on private land, the = permission of that land owner must first be granted.
>= >
>> It's all common sense -would you like anyon= e to creep into your back yard and erect an antenna without your permission= ??
>>
>> This sort of activ= ity damages Amateur and experimental radio. NOV licences can be obtained, i= f you think you need to do
>> special or unusual ra= dio researches.
>>
>> I bet= you dare not ask your local authority if you can use public road guide rai= ls for transmitting antennas -if you have,
>> and t= hey granted full permission, then you have made a real advancement in radio= . Ask your Radio Society what they think about this.
>= >
>> I am not trying to be difficult, but you ri= sk your radio licence and also risk jail if things go badly wrong on a publ= ic
>> highway or railway due to illicit use in this= way, and also the reputation of other Radio Amateurs. You also 'put yourse= lf 'in the frame' if an accident occurs that you did not cause -someone has= to 'carry the can', and it could be you if a camera 'spotted'
>> you. The 'utilities' display trespass notices, which if you = ignore, makes it extremely easy for them to say "See you in court!!".
>>
>> With very kind regards, Da= vid Hine
>>
>> From: DK7FC = <selberdenken@posteo.de>
>>
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2019, 7:25
>= >
>> Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA
&g= t;>
>> Ooh you seem to be one of the experts whe= n it comes to 'Do not' and 'forbidden'. Do you at least know why your (whol= e?) life is controlled
>> by fears? Posttraumatic s= ymptoms of a very dictatorial, violent childhood? I hope you worked that ou= t.
>>
>> Try to lead yourse= lfe by ideas and visions, by 'want to' or 'would like to', not by fear and = 'must not', 'have to', 'should' and 'should not'.
>>= ;
>> Also i clearly see you didn't follow the recen= t successes with guide-rail antennas on VLF and ULF, probably because you'r= e tyrelessly working on your 'Tesla' TX antenna:
>>=
>> Am 10.02.2018 18:30, schrieb David Hine:
>>
>>> I will also set up a br= oadcast (AM Modulated) signal in the Long Wave broadcasting band (LF), usin= g it to transmit music as a testing programme.
>>&g= t;
>>> When it's all up and running on VLF / LF,= I will put out various test signals using it, and join in the VLF 'fun'.>>
>> That's almost a year a= go. Now, where is the signal? W H E R E ?? Let's compare which antenna work= s better. The grabbers are watching.
>>
>> 73, Stefan
>>
>= ;> Am 08.01.2019 23:44, schrieb David Hine:
>>>>> Do not be tempted to use railway lines, motor= way barriers, fences etc. for connection to radio transmitters. This is str= ictly
>>> forbidden, and
>&= gt;>
>>> if caught, you could end up in jail = plus a huge fine. These structures all make rubbish antennas for VLF, so wi= ll never
>>> perform well, as
= >>>
>>> the losses are extremely high, = and so will never radiate a useful VLF signal. Never be tempted use any pub= lic 'infrastructure'
>>> as an
>>>
>>> antenna -it just does not work= , and will be a waste of effort.
>>>
>>> Regards, David Hine
>>>
>>> From: DK7FC
>>> <<= a href=3D"mailto:selberdenken@posteo.de" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:s= elberdenken@posteo.de">selberdenken@posteo.de>
>= ;>>
>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2019, 22:26
>>>
>>> Subject: VLF: GOTA
>>>
>>> Hi VLF,
>>>
>>> You probably know:
>>>
>>> IOTA - Islands On = The Air
>>>
>>> SOTA = - Summits On The Air
>>>
>&= gt;> but did you know
>>>
&= gt;>> GOTA - Guide-rails On The Air ??!!
>>&g= t;
>>> The year 2019 should be the year of GOTA!= Try it out. You can do it! No
>>>
>>> excuses like problems with the large coils, the high volt= ages, the XYL
>>>
>>>= occupying the garden. Just go out, take a walk, and see what you can do>>>
>>> with some wire = and a transmitter and some other equipment! :-)
>>&= gt;
>>> 73, Stefan

> --
> 73!
>
> Roman, RW3ADB
= --
73!
Roman, RW3ADB



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