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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, Paul, should I also move down? Yes the emitted FSK sidebands from DCF39 during telegrams indeed have narrow nulls around 137430, 570, 630, 770 Hz, with a periodic pattern repeating with the 200 Hz baudrate. However the picture [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [74.6.128.83 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 2ee80849a5d572dbc974bb207a527753 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR-15 this weekend Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5259236_804083922.1543005803288" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ------=_Part_5259236_804083922.1543005803288 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan, Paul, should I also move down? Yes=C2=A0the emitted FSK sidebands from DCF39 during telegrams indeed have = narrow nulls around 137430, 570, 630, 770 Hz, with a=C2=A0periodic pattern= =C2=A0repeating=C2=A0with=C2=A0the 200 Hz baudrate. However the picture cha= nges a lot=C2=A0when noise blanking is enabled: As=C2=A0the NB triggers on = the keyclicks,=C2=A0the interference can=C2=A0generally=C2=A0be reduced=C2= =A0by around 20 dB,=C2=A0but the in this process the minima are also being = filled up a bit. In the end,=C2=A0the remaining interference comes out pret= ty flat, so I've sort of given up trying to stick close to the spectral nul= ls. Best 73, Markus=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ---Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Fr, 23. Nov. 2018 20:25 Betreff: Re: LF: WSPR-15 this weekend Hi Paul, Yes, in principal 137.607 is OK but there are sidebands by DCF-39 having=20 a minimum close to the upper end of the spectrum. So, i remember Markus=20 has been on .622 and i am on .620. Using .624 would work but maybe=20 someone has a frequency offset of 1 Hz or so, then you are to close to=20 the end of the range. I offer you my frequency. Go to .620 and i will=20 QSY to .612. The DCF sidebands are an issue here in DL, maybe not for=20 2E0ILY who is closest to you, at least from this side of the pond. 73, Stefan Am 23.11.2018 19:22, schrieb N1BUG: > On 11/23/18 10:07 AM, DK7FC wrote: >=C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 >> PS: Paul, will you transmit tonite >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 > Yes I will. Not sure yet exactly how much power, probably 4 dB down > from my usual. I am setting up a combination of WSPR-15 and WSPR-2. > Is 137.607 OK? With so poorly calibrated receivers around, it's hard > to know who is on what frequency by looking at WSPRnet... > > 73, > Paul > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 ------=_Part_5259236_804083922.1543005803288 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan, Paul,

should I also move d= own?

Yes the emitted FSK sidebands from DCF39 during telegrams = indeed have narrow nulls around 137430, 570, 630, 770 Hz, with a perio= dic pattern repeating with the 200 Hz baudrate. However the = picture changes a lot when noise blanking is enabled: As the NB t= riggers on the keyclicks, the interference can generally be = reduced by around 20 dB, but the in this process the minima are a= lso being filled up a bit. In the end, the remaining interference come= s out pretty flat, so I've sort of given up trying to stick close to the sp= ectral nulls.

Best 73,
Markus   
---Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7= FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Fr, 23. Nov. 2018 2= 0:25
Betreff: Re: LF: WSPR-15 this weekend
Hi Paul,

Yes, in principal 137.607 is OK= but there are sidebands by DCF-39 having
a = minimum close to the upper end of the spectrum. So, i remember Markus
has been on .622 and i am on .620. Using .624 wou= ld work but maybe
someone has a frequency of= fset of 1 Hz or so, then you are to close to
the end of the range. I offer you my frequency. Go to .620 and i will
QSY to .612. The DCF sidebands are an issue here= in DL, maybe not for
2E0ILY who is closest = to you, at least from this side of the pond.
=
73, Stefan

Am 23.11.2018 19:22, schrieb N1BUG:
> On 11/23/18 10:07 AM, DK7FC wrote:
&g= t;   
>> PS: Paul, will you = transmit tonite
>>      =
> Yes I will. Not sure yet exactly how mu= ch power, probably 4 dB down
> from my usu= al. I am setting up a combination of WSPR-15 and WSPR-2.
> Is 137.607 OK? With so poorly calibrated receivers around,= it's hard
> to know who is on what freque= ncy by looking at WSPRnet...
>
> 73,
> Paul
>
>
>   

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