Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINDD073-b954acdb1fe140; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 05:33:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD087-b954acdb1fe140; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 05:33:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MvpMf-00032v-IT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:32:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MvpMf-00032m-5N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:32:49 +0100 Received: from smtp832.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.246]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MvpLF-000216-Cv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:31:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 77710 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2009 09:32:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=dYAj21wer300d74efUjxg70DBr+2nTEpHa67Os0CFfcE/0QQVPuBJYSH6hOpFj/mNLHGYB7j5H3LdfDjyRNkDWnr/lXAtFMqzYMeM4DNwCZQxuq9KK/IPJzF+uCDLuC4vM5C3MWiKtx2NNkUjJBN++avKODjYw3F/kRzQF1YrEs= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@86.169.134.186 with login) by smtp832.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2009 09:32:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: Y4Yb.HcVM1lDIPT5ZpMKwozkVZR14DBvlMBJRWkA9MLrZ8SDlu47GzX3IwVh3DTiDk6US8Es.UYkmtFIdW6KCwDA1LBmFmUfqRd5ScghiaHsbqX7TFohQgtEiMlqCmOOuiw8YG3gG6XvliuCi1InNq_1qI5S.EvEYdjwRmhe6tby3twp8nZaG.v0Hnn4CTbZAd9Noa9scjrX4wFBDYbuxcfOrm3bc6vstNmai9ceI684S5cwWFrsbfGw7bKBoEnXSv9_VQZpnlrpCHmzg0BrDVw4gkUcqSqmTs5J X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <1034F871DB99454AB819054B51F39B19@IBM7FFA209F07C> From: "Chris" To: "RSGB LF Group" Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:32:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: ERP at LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA4802.A492F7B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA4802.A492F7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seems to me that measuring ERP at LF is a bit of a problem. On here I= have read comments referring to a stations ERP by various operators= : 'Estimate', 'Guess', 'Approx.', 'Reckon I'm fairly close to...', 'A= pproaching' etc. Nobody REALLY knows exactly! Even Mike's book, 'LF To= day - A guide to success on 136kHz', refers to certain 'estimates' hav= ing to be made. The last sentence on the bottom of p81 just about sums= it up. I don't know what the answer is, but it is clear that ERP at LF is far= more complex than at VHF/UHF etc. where 'full size' antennas are gene= rally used. Chris, G4AYT. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA4802.A492F7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Seems to me that measuring ERP at LF= is a bit of a=20 problem. On here I have read comments referring to a stations ERP by= various=20 operators : 'Estimate', 'Guess', 'Approx.', 'Reckon I'm fairly cl= ose=20 to...', 'Approaching' etc. Nobody REALLY knows exactly! Even Mike's bo= ok, 'LF=20 Today - A guide to success on 136kHz', refers to certain 'estimates'= having to=20 be made. The last sentence on the bottom of p81 just about sums it=20 up.
I don't know what the answer is, but= it is clear=20 that ERP at LF is far more complex than at VHF/UHF etc. where 'full si= ze'=20 antennas are generally used.
Chris, G4AYT.
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