Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 35656380000AB; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 19:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Qnfk3-0001GD-Di for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 00:48:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Qnfk2-0001G4-Gg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 00:48:18 +0100 Received: from nm4-vm0.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.93]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnfk0-0003mN-Pt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 00:48:18 +0100 Received: from [212.82.108.228] by nm4.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2011 23:48:10 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.226] by tm1.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2011 23:48:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2011 23:48:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 945111.88483.bm@omp1003.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 17666 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2011 23:48:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ds5OnNGLzomyrDHzsb1Hy+JdoRWhgGJXNFjQ0r8HJ/hjVbS7GDrxe37oMGv59g7O/LwA/Fn2F+FYU5IhSWKRhxo4Bp3e8/HbuEiD2/mmg/kDtzrMBbcfv99ryJd/NKvjSU390fbEzECn6YDmPXLtE5D+a/0ux5XApfpK74cvXrI= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1312156090; bh=tAdbPcWzIwfXKZeYC0W/8PF9UsVMCbbeeBv8pl0SX6Y=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=DHtxYVVVX/WcBy2UfhreOzeA+feJeKC/Ti+xRNeOT0hVpRxF7izEo8YCpKFEqKgGo0JnFDfHh145vCTooYiF2hZOwt6XPFZq7yM1YUOzH+S1Vzx7vFliD6SGOE9gcu65I1+mDzezr+z9hN8JWsWfIQlYmXJxoPE4KoLI8FOWHkA= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: kZkOl6wVM1lIMlm9QHMi.GrCmJov2HhdqgzTttczIVVRfYv thCe3.gSIgPtJkcB4FUu3NJZNqwfxeTLuZ98NKrXItEZv4w4DtulC7Jvq561 xRQnrRU1hPrjE7_jxvxM1z9HRjlmXiBa_BTzrxmi4NKLrxANHs8qPnLd.ToX sPq_yw17wGkEH9RJiUnGlg5qt1Ubh._n.IUoXPSrr_FhAFfdEJHR4qROdLnA zBQzPQq7kfylqfmpZi.Q8QAZtMNVubF4y4vnAIPh9RXI4wC9AIw99TzX5l17 Cdx9.HpAirk4eo4g0ZtoqvowJu6VGayo7qM0cLtUnpxRSxIDWm.1fJvgYwg- - X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.174.31.123 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2011 23:48:10 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <101744BA6E9F4F649EF3AA71661C8397@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4E355332.6010107@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4E355927.4010905@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4E355CF9.8020504@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 00:48:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: frequency doubler and divider Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:381704128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m020.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94e35ea1b3e2b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Graham, Stefan, LF Group, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" >Has anyone looked closely at Jim's Class D/E EER tx ? Well, Jim has ;-) All that is used is a limiting amplifier to "square up" the input sine wave. For a push-pull PA, anti-phase square wave gate drive is obtained simply using an inverter. There is no requirement to multiply or divide the frequency. To obtain a 50% duty cycle square wave, the limiting thresholds need to be symmetrical around the average value of the input waveform. In the EER transverter, I used a transistor differential pair to provide a well-defined symmetrical limited waveform. The output of the differential amp is fed through some CMOS gates to increase the gain and make the output "square-er". You could use a voltage comparator instead, but it has to be a fairly fast one to avoid significant asymmetry in the output waveform due to differences in rise/rall times with positive and negative going signals, and other effects. This works fine provided your signal source generates a symmetrical waveform, i.e. the wanted signal frequency with or without odd order harmonics, such as a sine wave or a square wave. If the waveform is asymmetrical (containing substantial levels of even-order harmonics), such as a rectangular waveform with non-50% duty cycle, or contains non-harmonic components (e.g. unwanted mixing products), then a bandpass filter is needed to remove the unwanted components. But most practical signal generation schemes do not contain very high levels of unwanted frequency components close to the signal frequency, so a simple single LC tuned circuit with low Q is an adequate bandpass filter. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU