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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear Mark, you have a grabber? If you can post some waterfall @ 8270 about the TEST. Our grabber @ 8970 > http://www.aeritel.com/vlf/index.html '73 de Richard - IK7FMO - JN80OX ----- Original Message ----- From: Marco Cadeddu To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 10:42 PM Subject: Re: RE: LF: 8270Hz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [82.57.200.102 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 826f0ea42f5cf3c84a6f3a877245ef10 Subject: Re: RE: LF: 8270Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01CF0A02.FD23FC00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01CF0A02.FD23FC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Mark, you have a grabber? If you can post some waterfall @ 8270 about the = TEST. Our grabber @ 8970 > http://www.aeritel.com/vlf/index.html '73 de Richard - IK7FMO - JN80OX ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Marco Cadeddu=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 10:42 PM Subject: Re: RE: LF: 8270Hz ehmm sorry forgot the capture.. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Marco Cadeddu=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:30 PM Subject: Re: RE: LF: 8270Hz Hello Uwe! just for fun ... I don't think it is your signal... but better ask = ;-) have a look to the signal started at 1955UTC and stopped (at least = here) around 2025 UTC Marco IK1HSS ----- Original Message -----=20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: RE: LF: 8270Hz Hi Paul, Lubos, Peter, Markus es all, tks Paul for the comparison and the grabber - my main indicator = for FS and QRG. today I put one briquet more on it, means 500Wrms to abt 600Wrms = output. Im switching to Op-4H now at 1420UTC. GL Uwe/dj8wx -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 04.01.2014 13:20 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: RE: LF: 8270Hz -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Hello Uwe, Peter, all!=20 Well ... It is clear now ... :-)=20 OK, I hope to see your signal again. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:36:57 +0100 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: RE: LF: 8270Hz Hi Lubos es all, nice you shifted your grabber. yesterday at 1618UTC I switched the TX off and now at 1227UTC the = carrier is on the air agn. will Paul Nichelson shift his grabber too? OK. Peter, some hours later Ill switch to Op.4H. GL Uwe/dj8wx -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 04.01.2014 10:11 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: RE: LF: 8270Hz -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Hello Uwe!=20 I saw your signal on 8270Hz yesterday afternoon. Are you = transmitting now, please? There is a visible signal on 8269.93 on = PA1SDB=B4s grabber, but it is out of my grabber window (8270 +/- 50mH). = Is it your signal or some QRM? 73! Lubos, OK2BVG -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 14:30:43 +0100 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 8270Hz OK.. OK. dreamers, the TX is on the air since 1309UTC.=20 QRG: 8270.000Hz. WX: continuous rain but not so strong. when ever the order comes, I can switch to Op-4H. GL Uwe/dj8wx -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 03.01.2014 13:21 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Kopie: paul@abelian.netcom.co.uk Betreff: Fw: VLF: 8.275 kHz -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Paul Nicholson put forth the important argument that we'd better = stay away from 8280 because it's a multiple of 60 Hz. Mains harmonics = tend to drift a bit with the line frequeny so further away is better.=20 Thus I retract my preposition, and suggest instead to stay with = the original 8270 Hz. Uwe, go ahead! Best 73, Markus PS Direct harmonics from 16.67 Hz are relatively weak here, even = though the railway is only 400 m away. It looks more like carriers from = switchmode power conversion units (eg near 8 kHz), accompanied by the = telltale 33 Hz spaced sidebands. Unfortunately these frequencies are not = easily predictable.=20 From: Paul=20 Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 12:56 PM To: Markus Vester=20 Subject: Re: VLF: 8.275 kHz 8970 is well placed with respect to harmonics of both 50 and 60Hz. 8270/8275 not so good in a 60Hz region. 8124 to 8126 would be a good range, considering harmonics of 16.67Hz, 50Hz, and 60Hz. Let me know what is decided, I will switch my spectrogram over to the new band. -- Paul Nicholson -- ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01CF0A02.FD23FC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear=20 Mark,

you have a = grabber? If = you can post some waterfall @ 8270=20 about the TEST.
Our = grabber @ 8970=20 > http://www.aeritel.com/vlf= /index.html
 
'73 de Richard - IK7FMO -=20 JN80OX
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Marco=20 Cadeddu
Sent: Saturday, January 04, = 2014 10:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: RE: LF: = 8270Hz

ehmm sorry forgot the = capture..
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Marco=20 Cadeddu
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, January 04, = 2014 9:30=20 PM
Subject: Re: RE: LF: = 8270Hz

Hello Uwe!
 
just for fun ... I don't think it = is your=20 signal... but better ask ;-)
have a look to the signal started = at 1955UTC=20 and stopped (at least here) around 2025 UTC
 
Marco IK1HSS
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de =
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, January 04, = 2014 2:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: RE: LF: = 8270Hz

Hi=20 Paul, Lubos, Peter, Markus es all,
tks Paul for the comparison = and the=20 grabber - my main indicator for FS and QRG.
today I put one = briquet=20 more on it, means 500Wrms to abt 600Wrms output.

Im = switching to=20 Op-4H now at 1420UTC.

GL
Uwe/dj8wx


Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Gesendet:=20 04.01.2014 13:20
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Betreff:=20 RE: LF: 8270Hz

Hello Uwe, Peter, all!=20
Well ... It is clear now ... :-) 
OK, I hope to see your signal again.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG

Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:36:57 +0100
From:=20 uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject:=20 Re: RE: LF: 8270Hz

Hi=20 Lubos es all,
nice you shifted your grabber.
yesterday at = 1618UTC I=20 switched the TX off and now at 1227UTC the carrier is on the air=20 agn.

will Paul Nichelson shift his grabber too?

OK. = Peter,=20 some hours later Ill switch to Op.4H.
GL
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Gesendet: 04.01.2014 = 10:11
An:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: RE: LF: 8270Hz

Hello Uwe!=20
I saw your signal on 8270Hz yesterday afternoon. Are you = transmitting=20 now, please? There is a visible signal on 8269.93 on PA1SDB=B4s = grabber, but=20 it is out of my grabber window (8270 +/- 50mH). Is it your signal = or some=20 QRM?

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG

Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 14:30:43 +0100
From:=20 uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject:=20 LF: 8270Hz

OK..=20 OK. dreamers, the TX is on the air since 1309UTC.
QRG:=20 8270.000Hz.
WX: continuous rain but not so strong.
when ever = the=20 order comes, I can switch to Op-4H.
GL
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Gesendet: 03.01.2014 = 13:21
An:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Kopie:=20 paul@abelian.netcom.co.uk
Betreff: Fw: VLF: 8.275 kHz

Paul = Nicholson put=20 forth the important argument that we'd better stay away from 8280 = because=20 it's a multiple of 60 Hz. Mains harmonics tend to drift a bit = with=20 the line frequeny so further away is better.
 
Thus I = retract my=20 preposition, and suggest instead to stay with the original = 8270=20 Hz.
 
Uwe, go=20 ahead!
 
Best=20 73,
Markus
 
PS Direct = harmonics=20 from 16.67 Hz are relatively weak here, even though the railway is = only=20 400 m away. It looks more like carriers = from switchmode=20 power conversion units (eg near 8 kHz), = accompanied by the=20 telltale 33 Hz spaced sidebands. Unfortunately these frequencies = are not=20 easily predictable.=20
 

From: Paul
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 12:56 = PM
Subject: Re: VLF: 8.275 = kHz


8970 is well placed with respect to harmonics=20 of
both 50 and 60Hz.

8270/8275 not so good in a 60Hz=20 region.

8124 to 8126 would be a good range,=20 considering
harmonics of 16.67Hz, 50Hz, and 60Hz.

Let me = know=20 what is decided, I will switch my spectrogram
over to the new=20 band.

--
Paul=20 = Nicholson
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