Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8398F38000091; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1S2AWj-00087G-Et for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 00:02:45 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1S2AWi-000877-WD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 00:02:44 +0000 Received: from nm4-vm0.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.93]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1S2AWh-0005zR-ID for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 00:02:44 +0000 Received: from [212.82.108.230] by nm4.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2012 00:02:37 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm3.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2012 00:02:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2012 00:02:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 590849.13021.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 68102 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2012 00:02:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=d7FL8xkbmhvBuEI6n7FgpLQGYtdhU6wJsXUD/FlK2AZFViPGz7crgOBdVbtODFWfOiTUwfFRjBkNC9QbcK+4HshOfA9guL2B9S74QK5xcz+GnCUZOjxUBUkL7XAS4FylqRLiAE30IlWGeen8wMZawT7YNd+aS8roZM6UHGEShnM= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1330387357; bh=LPBkJfMBZ3hy3+tcFCpN6L8MucbbqOQj/YILQzjN21A=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=xIT9TQIgTac6jpyL5VPqxrcG+z01RLSB8HZP61rC6W5Cqj7/J8Y5lkX7/3IgeY4T3MHdz9DAP7kog2Dt3DIzC/21OV9PKQs6/+iBrVatfECbSnkVB8RXd0GT39zdVTMYTF1FgzKPwUuj65w1xFl+LGSjj6y6+SUCyHqNghl93Vg= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: pRGztN4VM1nIx4_4UwehN0oDGp0ofX.Go7C.N.hmxLrjCRc qmIBT72vpNGgXkpEkKWINp3jbj37CqEzkhYDDZ0KAnLfe21zSCsEJwYsEBUG SCVwnw3AUBhDT2f1_uKxcxUfC9DV4V8e6_mh7HPv2Xp_2ZIAS._Yxu.B0hLK wihCIUMun.bTu99D5Cp_IMk4H3rr_GBDZuTOL2vQvjD_r_pnGvUSPzshVdw1 DuAahX.pqkvW8UIYwpcgyQghQ.Q6WwFDxeJ2yZgJ4l77rODGSCyhstNdWS4d g_GBMFT9gJ8i3lcyLx_zLRvKJqTCUYSUB.jJ2gvlWajxr7msGvu1bUCjSBBv wKVi3V6uYrtb1tFvRfMyr.7gptCASm9v_2steLccvrRsM.BnEJK9pXGFDMbz QyINXlqGGl.ieV8Zk4fJNnS1vN1hqXbPF X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.185.144.57 with login) by smtp825.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2012 16:02:37 -0800 PST Message-ID: <098856018E3A46AB96BA9F9FC6C8FFCD@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <74845C11BC3444D79B63A207E428BDE0@lindavideo> <1205576556-1330352309-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124445598-@b27.c11.bise7.blackberry> <005701ccf561$cd9d4250$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <005701ccf561$cd9d4250$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 00:02:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: NDBs & WRC-12 LF band allocation Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485052256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m006.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61864f4c1a0867f2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Mal, Ken, LF Group, G3KEV wrote: >The band should be licensed for CW operators only so that they could >recognize and read the CW beacons and AVOID >them. One does not need to be a morse code expert to realise there is a strong signal repeating the same dots and dashes 24 hours a day on a particular frequency. One just needs a little common sense... >Has OFCOM thought of this. Neither should there be any amateur unattended >BEACONS to jam the Primary user >Beacons even unintentionally. Whether the transmission is a "manual" QSO or automated, or if an NoV for an unattended beacon was being applied for, the important thing for the amateur is to be aware of nearby NDBs and avoid transmitting on their frequencies - this is a matter of observation and advance planning, not operating. If a couple of amateurs are yakking away about the WX on a NDB frequency, in CW or any other mode, there is no way that the NDB will be able to break in at the end of one over and say "excuse me chaps, but there are aircraft trying to get a bearing on this frequency; would you mind QSYing - thank you so much" ;-) Think about this from the Primary User's point of view - if someone navigating an aircraft sets their ADF receiver to a particular beacon frequency and hears an assortment of amateur-generated morse code mixed up with the beacon ID, this is likely to cause confusion or error. So there is a strong argument for amateurs not to use morse code at all in this frequency range. It would be better to use totally different types of transmission that would not be confused with a NDB beacon signal. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU