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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hi Andy, I would connect a sig gen to the RX port and probe the port with a storage scope. Feed the low power TX port into a 50 Ohm termination and probe it with the second channel of the storage scope. Then k [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.227.15.18 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (cpaul[at]gmx.net) X-Scan-Signature: 896f9ee4f10c5db37812c155e804756d Subject: LF: RE: Elad FDM-DUO on LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by klubnl.pl id wAIKqkX3012839 Hi Andy, I would connect a sig gen to the RX port and probe the port with a storage scope. Feed the low power TX port into a 50 Ohm termination and probe it with the second channel of the storage scope. Then key the TX and look if the RX port is shorted during transmission and if so, if there's sufficient delay between RX port shorting and start of transmission. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot >Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 6:12 PM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; rsgb_lf_group >Subject: LF: Elad FDM-DUO on LF > >Does anyone use the Elad FDM-DUO on LF with external power >amplifier and separate Tx / Rx antennas? > >This transceiver is perfect for the LF / MF bands in having a >separate low power Tx output port supplying a very clean 0dBm >which could drive a high power amplifier for linear mode operation. > >But I have one big issue with this, and don't yet knw if I >need tgo incorporate separate protection circuitry. > >WHen the low power port is used on transmit, there is no >information available as to what the radio does with its >receive antenna port. For all we know, it could remain >connected to sensitive circuitry. It would be vary careless >if the designers had allowed this to occur, but no details are >available and asking on the Elad Group gave no replies. > >My active E-probe antenna sits under the Tx antenna and when >radiating 700 Watts is quite happy and survives this, sending >back a very distorted +27dBm of signal back up the Rx port in >retaliation. The SDR-IQ I used to use could survive this (I >found out by accidental trial-and-error it could survive) > >But at £900, I'm not going to use trial-and-error to see how >this transceiver copes. > >Technical support for this radio is very poor. > >Andy > >www.g4jnt.com > > > > > Virus-free. >www.avg.com > > >