X-GM-THRID: 1205041448161647270 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 9f385b41588041b0280b8f33f44a4a06524b504d Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs916wrc; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 19:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.215.5 with SMTP id n5mr1460478nfg; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 19:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l27si1905717nfa.2006.06.01.19.57.58; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 19:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Flzph-0005Sa-1C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:56:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Flzpg-0005SR-GR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:56:16 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([216.148.227.151]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Flzpc-00040T-Et for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:56:16 +0100 Received: from rmailcenter06.comcast.net ([204.127.197.116]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060602025556m1100gk9nne>; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 02:56:05 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter06.comcast.net; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 02:55:55 +0000 From: k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org (rsgb lf reflector) Cc: lowfer@lwca.org (LWCA LF Reflector) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 02:55:55 +0000 Message-Id: <060220060255.15250.447FA8BB0002A5A600003B9222007348300B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.711 Subject: LF: Transformer problem; advice sought X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5579 Hello the list, I have been experiencing heating problems with my step-down toroidal transformer that feeds my transmit loop. Fearing core saturaton issues I have been going to ever larger cores and more and more turns in an attempt to reduce the flux density. My latest core is 4 stacked 4" diameter Mix 78 toroids weighing a total of 3 pounds (1.34 Kg) with 28 turns of #10 on the 50 ohm winding and 5 turns of 16 mm2 wire on the loop side. Now for the puzzle: As suggested by J.B., I hooked two transformers back to back ; the present transformer (described above) and the previous model (4 stacked FT-290-77 toroids with 17 turns on the 50 ohm side and 3 turns on the loop side. I connected the two transfomers with the the loop windings from one going into the loop winding of the next. One transformer 50 ohm winding was hooked to a 50 ohm Bird Dummy Load, the other transformer's 50 ohm winding went to an AEA VIA impedance bridge. Much to my surprise I had a high swr and reactance !!! The swr was on the order of 2.7:1 and the reactance was 45-55 ohm and increasing with frequency. Any thoughts on why I should show a reactive component when one transformer went directly to a 50 ohm load? -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm