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Cc: Dick Rollema <dickrollema@casema.nl>, Hans Blondeel Timmerman <hans@blondeeltimmerman.nl>, Dick Harms <eqtc@xs4all.nl>
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:35:48 +0000
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 kHz license refused in  the Netherlands
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> * The band is national and international not an amateur band
> * The band is still used for emergency, urgent and safety messages
> are just as valid for Germany, UK, Sweden and USA  

       Dick, in the USA we were refused use of 495-505 on the basis that it is allocated to maritime emergency service.
It is apparent that the allocation tables have not caught up with the reality that nobody uses these frequencies anymore, and further no one even monitors these frequencies for emergency traffic anymore. However no bureaucrat  will take a risk for what is essentially an amateur experiment.  

We got around that by accepting a band from 505-510 kHz, which is not designated for emergency traffic.

 I have a new application in requesting 505-510 and 510-515kHz with 200 watts erp and many more modes including ssb. It will take time and patience to see the results of this application.


--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Dick Rollema <dickrollema@casema.nl>
> Walter, DI2AG/DJ2LF wrote:
> :
> >Dear Dick,
> >        sorry about the bad news. But - how about asking your radio agency
> >for a test- and research permit?
> Dear Walter,
> 
> That is exactly what I did,  with accent on the research of skywave 
> propagation and on the reliability of daytime communication using small power.
> 
> It is queer that the reasons for refusal:
> * The band is national and international not an amateur band
> * The band is still used for emergency, urgent and safety messages
> are just as valid for Germany, UK, Sweden and USA  and in these 
> countries this is not a reason for refusing permission to use the 
> band for research and experiments.
> I had also stated I wanted the permission for a limited period, 
> preferably one year. So the agency could always revoke the permission 
> after that period.
> But being a small country our administration is always very 
> cautious  and not inclined to be at the forefront on subjects that 
> have not been agreed upon between a large number of countries in CEPT 
> or similar organisations.
> 
> But who knows what the future may bring.  Our 136 kHz permission also 
> came rather late.
> 
> 73, Dick, PA0SE
> 
> 
>