Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: dcc1: mailn 1182; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v039YZZb022414 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 10:34:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1cOLPV-0006RC-LP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 09:29:37 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.34] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1cOLPV-0006R3-95 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 09:29:37 +0000 Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:44]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cOLPR-0001VT-Ao for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 09:29:36 +0000 Received: from resomta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.105]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id OLMxcdWptlNFyOLMyckcxh; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 09:27:00 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=comcast.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1483435620; bh=VwvhqUw3vOogSINS4nmN9cdvc0GrO1DLOTtIYNRROL8=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Xvke7cbOXbHROWmGsWcseJd1pFx6/wvuTv+lzRsCEgbmBZoMTToMgcIHYKjjgr9FC DtOuh5h7s8QM0aGaFoAiCnvRKFnLIyEQVRZOYOq8C8N1M5Ca3+Yd1WIjv/OqSsRUza w/kYjlJ4mKV6PhVlUywqkXH+/WCcVpLYP5ok2w6coCUyNJgD3G65EDpGkHDJc3ha+m y1T3Sws8gBWCHla2lsVgy74EO42hTRV8iGkFOWIUhIs/Mm9Ra+jJny/ygkAmtiXjh4 hkHWU601y599DlCukiK/Quwsfbfco1ib7Tj6JFAXG2PNxCiVPpkgo7Y5/IxTcP+LNe 5+MUUhWZ6GBCg== Received: from Owner ([IPv6:2601:141:0:bec5:b9f8:f0ec:e4f:1b69]) by resomta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id OLMxcaRiinS0qOLMyc2IEM; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 09:27:00 +0000 From: To: References: <159526aa32e-1297-2d056@webprd-m96.mail.aol.com> <5867AA75.6030603@posteo.de> <5867DFA9.5020604@abelian.org> <58691D84.9030201@posteo.de> <586A8A05.5090901@posteo.de> <586AA7C5.8070802@abelian.org> <049501d26535$dee8b370$9cba1a50$@comcast.net> <586B5BAD.7@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <586B5BAD.7@abelian.org> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 04:26:56 -0500 Message-ID: <04e001d265a3$87c5d690$975183b0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHRhrWNJyxyDm/RcmgHwLSrpxM9jAJ5P2AlAmcy39AB+99K5AJVTiwNAugb3cMCbkK8eQK6McJ/oJ4eYgA= Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfIvKRb8mzobHCln/gnwBW09SLmT4IHK1vCmDtxdUU4XhspQOHzn3mHZ5U6X8VmGjiXVUGyM32zcnOsYon11B+1VbAg5P3hLHUkufLlrsJh4S+0caV6b6 0nP7NZJ112VPa3E8OGI+Zx+d7Uz7izI7Wuk= X-Scan-Signature: 4d97240a623a26620214cd27feaa9f71 Subject: RE: VLF: Back on 5.17 kHz / 58 km... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lipkowski.org id v039YZZb022414 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10086 Paul, In small VLF horizontal TX antenna simulations (NEC and FEKO) I have noticed that comparatively small inclinations (10 to 15 degrees) from horizontal can in some cases make a substantial difference (5 to 10dB) in far-field signal strength. Not sure how real those NEC/FEKO simulation results are, notwithstanding best efforts on ground parameters and ground model. I guessed that your LWPC simulation of Stefan's 5170 Hz antenna had the LWPC TX antenna inclination parameter set for horizontal; and with the experimental and model results so consistent I couldn’t resist asking. Nice to see history in the making with the 5170 Hz tests; well done all. Speaking of LWPC and hopes/reservations thereof: the (safe) link below provides free download of an interesting first-pass on a new type of LWPC amplitude/phase model for flares/SIDs: http://www.ann-geophys.net/31/765/2013/ The flare-induced amplitude/phase characteristics in the above model differ somewhat from observations made in: https://arxiv.org/abs/1603.07300 but both papers have some interesting new perspectives 73, Jim AA5BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Paul Nicholson Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 3:07 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: VLF: Back on 5.17 kHz / 58 km... Stefan wrote: > f = 5170.000000 Hz > Start time: 02.Jan.2017 17:00:00 UTC > Symbol length: 40 s > Characters: 5 > CRC 16 > Coding 16K25A Received 'HELLO', BER 41.1%, constant reference phase. Carrier Eb/N0 = +1.0 dB, S/N: 15.57 dB in 22.3 uHz, A little weaker than expected. S/N -64.9dB in 2.5kHz after sferic blanking. Before the blanker, the signal measures -74.8dB after hum removal. Markus wrote: > SpecLab resets the phase of it's GPS-locked signal > generators at midnight. Ah, that would explain it, thanks. Now you mention it, I think we've hit that problem before but I had forgotten. I measure a phase advance of 131 degrees at midnight. We had better stick to frequencies that are a whole number of cycles per day. That also simplifies coherent stacking of daily transmissions. Jim wrote: > Was the LWPC TX antenna angle parameter fairly close to > actual angle? I'm not sure what you mean there. -- Paul Nicholson --