Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62277 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 13:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 13:15:37 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CncuW-000M6z-5j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:15:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CncuV-000M6w-WB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:15:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cncus-0004ST-9U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:15:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cncrn-0004Ka-Gn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:12:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cncrn-0004KR-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:12:23 +0000 Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.140]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cncrj-0000XC-JL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:12:23 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.153.54 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 13:12:11 -0000 Message-ID: <039301c4f64c$8e25b600$36998351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009701c4f319$3a34fe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER><001301c4f358$a60eb5b0$6501a8c0@eagles> <001001c4f370$9d02a720$6507a8c0@Main><000e01c4f3ac$6f8b2150$6501a8c0@eagles><002101c4f3c3$911a2ac0$0d540150@captbrian><200501061101090848.054AE1B8@mail.zetnet.co.uk><00ab01c4f425$fa6978c0$58540150@captbrian><002d01c4f460$1a2a8b10$6401a8c0@eagles><003301c4f461$42db7460$0201a8c0@private.network><006201c4f46a$12fc6ca0$6401a8c0@eagles><005f01c4f474$1a22f9e0$0201a8c0@private.network> <008201c4f48b$725f0d80$6401a8c0@eagles> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:10:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.140 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Antenna plans de J. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear J, LF Group, Experience with "back garden" wire antennas considerably smaller than yours yields loss resistance of typically several 10s of ohms. Allthough it is rather unpredictable, Rloss tends to get smaller as the size of the antenna increases, so guessing at 15 - 30 ohms Rloss should not be too far out. With Rrad around 0.2ohms, this would give efficiency of the order of 1%, which is certainly rather good for an amateur LF antenna. The amount of TX power you need depends on how the 1W effective radiated power is defined in your licence - assuming 1% efficiency, 1W EMRP (relative to a monopole reference antenna) would require 100W, 1W ERP (half-wave dipole reference antenna) requires 55W, or 1W EIRP (isotropic reference antenna) about 33W. So a TX giving a couple of hundred watts should have ample reserves of power. I estimate you would need a total loading inductance around 1mH. It is fairly easy to get a Q of around 200 with quite ordinary, physically large coils, resulting in additional loss resistance of around 4ohms, which will increase the TX power requirement by about 20%. The required antenna current would need to be no more than a few amps, leading to an antenna voltage of only a few kV, which should not cause breakdown problems. I don't think having seperate loading coils for each top wire would bring any advantage - since the loading coil effectively cancels the reactance of the antenna, quite small errors in value of L would lead to a large imbalance in the current between the two top loading wires, which is not desirable. Just connecting both wires together and using a single loading coil would ensure an even division of current and be easier to set up. Using a single downlead would also reduce unwanted capacitance to the mast. It might be easier to have downleads connected to the Vee wires several metres away from the mast connected to a loading coil near ground level - this would cause a minor reduction in effective height, but would be mechanically much easier. As far as matching goes, adding a "fine tuning" coil as you suggest enables tuning the reactance to exactly zero, and then a small ferrite-cored transformer can be used to match the antenna resistance to the PA output. Since this matching network effectively has only one reactive component, it should result in the lowest losses. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Allen To: Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:35 AM Subject: LF: Antenna plans de J. > Scott, > > The main 137 antenna will be an inverted-L with two, 392 foot long #10 > copper clad horizontal wires fanning out from the tower in a V.