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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Mike, Roger and Alan, I entirely agree with what you say Mike. Roger, I think the problem is the feeling that unappointed persons would have undue influence. I have been involved with other groups in the past where the whole set up is run by one or two unelected 'control freak' types and it's been a disaster. Whilst I agree that there have been undesirable goings on on here, from absurd religious content even, through insults to childish comments, I would be concerned if some self appointed person was able to decide who/what to block. Alan, I am not even slightly convinced that spammers are getting our e-mail addresses from this reflector, in fact it's probably less so than other sites that send out mailings to multiple addressees - often with all the addresses open for all to see. Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 3:35 PM Subject: LF: Reflector [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.213 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 3b8620872b19e25fb6f4dfaf1256edc3 Subject: LF: Re: Reflector Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:385901440:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d310.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824fbf9f036254 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Mike, Roger and Alan, I entirely agree with what you say Mike. Roger, I think the problem is the feeling that unappointed persons would have undue influence. I have been involved with other groups in the past where the whole set up is run by one or two unelected 'control freak' types and it's been a disaster. Whilst I agree that there have been undesirable goings on on here, from absurd religious content even, through insults to childish comments, I would be concerned if some self appointed person was able to decide who/what to block. Alan, I am not even slightly convinced that spammers are getting our e-mail addresses from this reflector, in fact it's probably less so than other sites that send out mailings to multiple addressees - often with all the addresses open for all to see. Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 3:35 PM Subject: LF: Reflector > In the fog of discussion about a possible Yahoo group, one thing has > been overlooked. Without this reflector, experimentation on VLF/LF > would have been almost non-existent. It provides a very valuable > forum for discussion, advice and skeds, as well as reassuring us all > that there is someone out there listening. > > We all owe a debt of gratitude to those who have provided this > reflector for many years. They have helped us achieve the most > extraordinary feats over the years. > > Whether we change to a Yahoo Group is a matter for the group's users. > If anyone wants to set up a group and =importantly= is prepared to > keep it running for years to come, then that's fine. But please don't > assume that those who selflessly run the Blacksheep system will want > to run it. They deserve our thanks, not complaints. > > Mike, G3XDV > ==========. > > > >