Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.214]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-a3834b840c67345; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:12:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DBC53380028C7; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NjyG6-0002oF-Ht for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:09:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NjyG5-0002o6-Ua for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:09:17 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NjyG4-0005cB-0B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:09:17 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100223170909.JHZ4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:09:09 +0000 Received: from [86.31.219.178] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NjyFx-0008JD-86 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:09:09 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <001401cab497$85c1ea60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641002230838u68f9a31bw9b414fd655f2af13@mail.gmail.com> <004a01cab4a8$21dbf890$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:09:08 -0000 Message-ID: <02db01cab4aa$e9580420$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <004a01cab4a8$21dbf890$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Thread-Index: Acq0qFGZ4CmrfK8CQ5a8as7ZZ9x0UQAAdVpQ X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=fnYqA7hvAAAA:8 a=j6Q1dnSHAAAA:8 a=A06HpNCPAAAA:20 a=drx4vy265O7cSwANWzcA:9 a=bmy_ImpU8ThZmZ9SiE0A:7 a=01v3RaaHE21ln-3Y7pyloeUMIkMA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=gA6IeH5FQcgA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=IaUufKty2zy3Y-9k:21 a=PMIrHIrN0ZCmuTzY:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=DhkEpAFiXBR5hrWFHC0A:9 a=_o13ONZI664K4DpD_ZwA:7 a=DJHmaVD5HjWsr4zNNGQjOvAo2yYA:4 a=s4b6rRNYTMZ368rU:21 a=k59z3zugxmQjbMoH:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: RE: LF: DATA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02DC_01CAB4AA.E9580420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64b840c084932 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_02DC_01CAB4AA.E9580420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I shall be there, boots blacked and at the ready!! Buy shares in Alcan foil as I will be cornering the world market in order to turn my garden into a huge capacitor! The XYL will have a seizure and the cats wont be happy either! With best regards Jim _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 23 February 2010 16:49 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: DATA Roger Like the man said the 9 Kcs craze is but the latest Appliance Operator TOY, however when you fire up the TOY I will look out for you, Jim might join in. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:38 PM Subject: Re: LF: DATA Mal, G7NKS has largely echoed my views on your email. Yes, HF conditions have been getting better. VK9 was worked on 10m from the UK today (on CW and not by me). I was able to decode the 1W WSPR signals on 10m from V53ARC (running just 1W) this morning and from FR1GZ (10W) yesterday. WSPR is hugely helpful in propagation testing on the higher HF bands and does not need much power. There is lots of WSPR activity on HF, although more on 10m would be useful to help seek out fleeting openings. PSK31 is widely used of course. Regarding <9kHz, clearly it is very unlikely any great distances will be spanned, but there is much that can be learned from such experiments. I have experimented with this in the past and hope to do so again soon, but using the best weak signal techniques this time. Your remarks about 500kHz "appliance operators" are not helpful. However, it's a free country and you're entitled to express your views, even if we choose to differ. 73s Roger G3XBM On 23 February 2010 14:50, mal hamilton wrote: Generally band condx vy good at present from LF to HF as far as 24 Mcs. Modes mostly CW and SSB world wide, some strong USA stns. What is noticeable is the lack of Amtor, Pactor and packet transmissions but RTTY seems to have survived over the years. Observations indicate that data mode acty does not last long, the novelty wares off, whereas the traditional modes CW, SSB and RTTY are still going strong. Some will argue that cw and rtty are data but I am referring to the fly by night data modes Amtor, pactor, packet and all the JT, wspr etc, tuning across the bands today I did not hear any of these modes. Obviously the majority of ham operators are not interested. It would appear MF attracts the Appliance Operator, and the 8.7739872 Kcs Dreamers!! If you fancy your chances on VLF below 9 Kcs I will listen out. I have a suitable RX and antenna. Your observations ? de G3KEV -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_02DC_01CAB4AA.E9580420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I shall be ther= e, boots blacked and at the ready!!    

 

Buy shares in= Alcan foil as I will be cornering the world market in order to turn my garden into a huge capa= citor!   The XYL will have a seizure and the cats wont be happy either!  =

 

With best regards=

 

Jim

 = <= /p>

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of m= al hamilton<= /st1:City>
Sent: 23 February 2010= 16:49
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: DATA

 

Roger

Like the man said the 9 Kcs craze is bu= t the latest Appliance Operator TOY, however when you fire up the TOY I will look out for you= , Jim might join in.

 

mal/g3kev

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent:= Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:38 PM

Subject: Re: LF: DATA

 

Mal,

G7NKS has largely echoed my views on your email.

Yes, HF conditions have been getting better. VK9 was worked on 10m fro= m the UK today (on CW and not by me). I was= able to decode the 1W WSPR signals on 10m from V53ARC (running just 1W) this= morning and from FR1GZ (10W) yesterday. WSPR is hugely helpful in propagation= testing on the higher HF bands and does not need much power. There is lots of WSPR activity on HF,= although more on 10m would be useful to help seek out fleeting openings. PSK31 is wi= dely used of course.

Regarding <9kHz, clearly it is very unlikely any great distances wi= ll be spanned, but there is much that can be learned from such experiments.= I have experimented with this in the past and hope to do so again soon, but= using the best weak signal techniques this time.

Your remarks about 500kHz "appliance operators" are not helpful.  However, it's a free country and you're entitled to exp= ress your views, even if we choose to differ.

73s
Roger G3XBM

On 23 February 2010 14:50, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net= > wrote:

Generally band condx vy good at present= from LF to HF as far as 24 Mcs. Modes mostly CW and SSB world wide, some strong USA stns.

What is noticeable is the lack of Amtor= , Pactor and packet transmissions but RTTY seems to have survived over the years.

Observations indicate that data mode ac= ty does not last long, the novelty wares off, whereas the traditional modes CW, SSB and= RTTY are still going strong.

Some will argue that cw and rtty are da= ta but I am referring to the fly by night data modes Amtor, pactor, packet and all the JT,= wspr etc, tuning across the bands today I did not hear any of these modes.

Obviously the majority of ham operators= are not interested. It would appear MF attracts the Appliance Operator, and the 8.7739872= Kcs Dreamers!!

If you fancy your chances on VLF below= 9 Kcs I will listen out. I have a suitable RX and antenna.

Your observations ?<= /o:p>

 

de G3KEV

 

 




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