Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 57FA938000082; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RSF4x-0006EX-51 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:37:35 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RSF4w-0006EO-Kz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:37:34 +0000 Received: from smtp-out-01.simnet.is ([194.105.231.27]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RSF4t-0003RE-Qo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:37:34 +0000 Authentication-Results: smtp-out-01.simnetpro.is; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-SBRS: 2.9 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap8AAKBsyU7CaedFgWdsb2JhbAA9BoJNl1iFEIMLAYd+IgEBFiYWD4FyAQEFCAIjWQMCCREEAQEoBxktCQgCBBMLBYd1BrVLhm6DKQSCXIUNjFOFKYxc Received: from consumer-mta-01.simnet.is ([194.105.231.69]) by smtp-out-01.simnetpro.is with ESMTP; 20 Nov 2011 21:37:25 +0000 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Halld=F3r?= To: References: <4EC92D9F.21482.1C03267@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <4EC96335.7010102@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4EC96335.7010102@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:37:49 -0000 Message-ID: <02b401cca7cc$a67b09b0$f3711d10$@simnet.is> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: AQLXn1Mi3qN35HfRl13Eo1vvqb9CcgEbUEliAeBs5pWTiHvMgA== Content-Language: is X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: RE: LF: TF3HZ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02B5_01CCA7CC.A67D7AB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440417056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60094ec973472aea X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02B5_01CCA7CC.A67D7AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan and others, =20 I did some checking of my settings. I had both the NB and the = =93denoiser=94 on. After switching off the =93Denoiser=94 things look better, at least for = now. 73 Halld=F3r TF3HZ =20 =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Stefan = Sch=E4fer Sent: 20. n=F3vember 2011 20:30 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: TF3HZ =20 Markus, Mike,=20 The effect disappears when local QRM comes up, like visible on his = wideband window on the bottom of the page. So i assume it has to do with the noiseblanker and filter settings. Possibly the NB acts on DCF39 and HGA which may be in the passband of the SL internal filter. Halldor has a wideband RX since a few days and showed me the link: http://icas.to/lineup/idc-136-kit-eng.htm Maybe i am increasing the average signal level when i am on air and so = the NB is blanking rather seldom? 73, Stefan Am 20.11.2011 19:06, schrieb Markus Vester:=20 Mike, =20 interesting. The propagation is probably by daytime D-layer reflection, which typically exhibits a flat maximum at noon time. This is = conspicuouis eg. on the DCF / HGA plots from 4X and YO, and on Eu Loran-C signals as well. On the sea path between G and TF, this may be augmented by a groundwave component with relatively little attenuation. =20 BTW Stefan's strong DFCW signal is producing an unusual modulation = effect on Halld=F3r's grabber, as both the background noise and all other signals = seem to brighten up during the dashes. Just like a kind of negative AGC... =20 Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) =20 From: Mike Dennison =20 Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:41 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: TF3HZ =20 I was amazed to be received well on TF3HZ's grabber over a daylight=20 path from 1500 UTC today.=20 Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_02B5_01CCA7CC.A67D7AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Stefan and others,

 

I did some checking of my settings. I had both the NB and the = “denoiser” on. After switching off the = “Denoiser” things look better, at least for = now.

73

Halld=F3r

TF3HZ

 

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: 20. n=F3vember 2011 20:30
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: = TF3HZ

 

Markus, = Mike,

The effect disappears when local QRM comes up, like = visible on his wideband window on the bottom of the page. So i assume it = has to do with the noiseblanker and filter settings. Possibly the NB = acts on DCF39 and HGA which may be in the passband of the SL internal = filter. Halldor has a wideband RX since a few days and showed me the = link: http://icas.to/lineup/= idc-136-kit-eng.htm
Maybe i am increasing the average signal = level when i am on air and so the NB is blanking rather = seldom?

73, Stefan

Am 20.11.2011 19:06, schrieb Markus = Vester:

Mike,<= o:p>

 

interesting. = The propagation is probably by daytime D-layer reflection, which = typically exhibits a flat maximum at noon time. This is = conspicuouis eg. on the DCF / HGA plots from 4X and YO, = and on Eu Loran-C signals as well. On the sea path between G and TF, = this may be augmented by a groundwave component with relatively = little attenuation.<= /span>

 <= /o:p>

BTW Stefan's = strong DFCW signal is producing an unusual modulation effect = on Halld=F3r's grabber, as both the background noise = and all other signals seem to brighten up during the dashes. Just = like a kind of negative AGC...<= /span>

 <= /o:p>

Best = 73,<= /span>

Markus = (DF6NM)<= /span>


 

From:= = Mike Dennison =

Sent:= = Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:41 PM

Subject: LF: = TF3HZ

 

I was amazed to be received well on = TF3HZ's grabber over a daylight
path from 1500 UTC today. =

Mike, = G3XDV
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