X-GM-THRID: 1196684404245296047 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 88824cc3219a6c1178f4292b4f9e19884c65ff60 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.71.12 with SMTP id t12cs13977wra; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:26:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.254.18 with SMTP id b18mr588888ugi; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:26:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y7si1250473ugc.2006.03.02.12.26.10; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FEuJR-0006zY-3C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:22:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FEuJQ-0006zP-MJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:22:12 +0000 Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.202]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FEvnz-0001hP-51 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 21:58:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 95396 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 20:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@86.135.51.89 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 20:20:54 -0000 Message-ID: <02a101c63e36$cf0e6120$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <01cd01c63d73$69bc4f80$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <4407287F.8000306@freenet.de> <029801c63e22$bb20b190$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <003a01c63e33$08290cc0$67b0fea9@lark> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:20:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=ham,AWL=0.000,BAYES_00=-2.599 Subject: Re: LF: LORAN spurious emission levels Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6237 Alan: Yes I have spent some time at the Megapulse site, and that tells me all the power levels, but I assume these are given as the peak pulse power. What I need now is to convert these to mean power then I can calculate the mean power per kHz and from there the mean power per spectral line. There is a picture of a LORAN pulse wave on that site and I guess I could analyse it to calculate the peak-to-mean ratio, but I am just hoping that someone out there may have done it or knows where to find the answer. Of course if we listen just to individual spectral lines then all the transmitters in a chain will add (or subtract) and confuse the problem - I already found this using my coherent weak-signal software - but as you say, if one transmitter is clearly closer than all others in a chain, then it should be possible to use it as a calibration point or at least as a quick check to see if the equipment is working. For example, here in the UK I guess most people will receive Rugby stronger than the others. I am also simply curious to know what is the actual power level of these spurii. Is it milliwatts or watts? How low are we going with our standard QRSS methods? I have now extended the coherent software so I can receive the spurious LORAN signals as pulses. This is about 25dB more sensitive that looking for a single spectral line, because I am effectively adding-together ALL the spurious spectral lines I can hear in the 3kHz SSB receiver. I can, for example, copy the Slonim (Belarus) LORAN transmitter, 1800km away, at midday, on 136.5kHz in a bandwidth of +/-1.5kHz. It's 20dB/noise, but of course that is after 15 minutes of coherently summing the signal. The nice thing about this technique is that the different transmitters in the chain do NOT mix together. I can even read the 8-bit BPSK ident code inside each pulse - the modulation on the spurious emissions is still perfectly readable. Maybe I could even copy some of the USA LORAN transmitters on 136kHz using this idea. No more need for beacons, just record the dx LORAN pulses! Marco: Thanks for the info about the Sellia Marina transmitter. Is this still operating? I thought that the Mediterranean chain had closed down. 73 Peter G3PLX